The gap in the 70 weeks is not absurd

[Guest]

Why do you insist Sean that at the very end of the 69th week is in the 70th? And how do you explain the Temple being destroyed 40 years later..which is way out of the 7 years of the 70th week???

Crusader

I'm not Sean

But your first question seems an awful lot like asking why I insist Saturday comes after Friday. The end of the 69th week is the beginning of the 70th week because that is how time works.

As for your 2nd question, I am sure you are aware that many of us interpret the last 7 years to include the 3.5 years of Jesus ministry, the cross in the middle, and the 3.5 years where the Gospel went primarily to Jews before the gentile mission. This demands zero gap. The destruction of Jerusalem, then, is a consequence of the 70 weeks prophecy.

[Guest]

You know, all of these questions have been answered thoroughly in previous threads at this forum. If someone (say, Crusader) wishes to know what amils or preterists believe about almost any scripture or futurist argument, I believe the answers are already posted.

Many of us have said that we believe eschatology to be a subject of secondary importance (which is certainly my view), yet we are being dragged into repetitious responses to the same questions over and over again in this forum so that eschatology is forced unnecessarily to dominate our time. My suggestion is, if people have questions about eschatology, and they really want answers, they should scroll down through the existing threads and see if their question has already been discussed.

[Jill]

Crusader, I hope you don't mind me asking but why is it so important to you that we are living in the last days? If you discovered that Jesus will not return for another two thousand years would it change how you live your life day to day? To me, it just sounds like you're homesick and want Jesus to come and set things straight as soon as possible. I think all of us can sympathize there. But whether Jesus returns today or hundreds of years from now, my day to day life will consist of following him. Jesus told this parable in Matthew 24:

45 "Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time,' 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of.

Jesus says here that no one knows when he will return so it's rather pointless to try and find out a "timeframe." The reason he doesn't want us to know is because he wants to catch us off guard to see if we'll be wise and faithful servants.

J.C. I think weve been in the last days since the early Church,we are just closer now,and to the student of prophecy its exciting...thats all...we are constantly admonished in the New Testament to be looking for that Blessed Hope...the return of Jesus. I think we need to get back to having that Blessed Hope. Jesus is coming for His Bride...the Church and it could be tommorrow or tonight...we know it will be quick and catch the world off guard. In the Old Testament when a Jewish Bridegrrom was engaged the Bride was always supposed to ready since the Groom would and did appear unannounced to sweep her away. So it will be with the coming of Jesus for His Church,His Bride.

[Guest]

You know, all of these questions have been answered thoroughly in previous threads at this forum. If someone (say, Crusader) wishes to know what amils or preterists believe about almost any scripture or futurist argument, I believe the answers are already posted.

Many of us have said that we believe eschatology to be a subject of secondary importance (which is certainly my view), yet we are being dragged into repetitious responses to the same questions over and over again in this forum so that eschatology is forced unnecessarily to dominate our time. My suggestion is, if people have questions about eschatology, and they really want answers, they should scroll down through the existing threads and see if their question has already been discussed.

Steve
The whole point of the questions that I am asking is so that I can interact with the members. If you still do not want me to ask any questions I will just go ahead and get out of your forums. I know that your remarks were not necessarily directed toward me, but I suppose it was in part.

Just tell me if you wish for me to stop asking you questions concerning your theology and I'll just bow out. It's just kind of nice to be able to follow up on answers and hear different challenges to my views as well.

Thank you
Aaron

[Jill]

Why do you insist Sean that at the very end of the 69th week is in the 70th? And how do you explain the Temple being destroyed 40 years later..which is way out of the 7 years of the 70th week???

Crusader

I'm not Sean

But your first question seems an awful lot like asking why I insist Saturday comes after Friday. The end of the 69th week is the beginning of the 70th week because that is how time works.

As for your 2nd question, I am sure you are aware that many of us interpret the last 7 years to include the 3.5 years of Jesus ministry, the cross in the middle, and the 3.5 years where the Gospel went primarily to Jews before the gentile mission. This demands zero gap. The destruction of Jerusalem, then, is a consequence of the 70 weeks prophecy.

If we know,,,,,which we do, when Christ was crucified...the exact day, then we know that Jersusalems destruction cant be in that seven year period cause it happened 40 years later....and you cant put it in that sevenyear period....if preterists would just beleive it instead of use every imaginable method to try to explain it away it would be a lot easier...Daniel is explicit as the timing...its exact...and Dr Hoehners work hasnt been refuted yet by Demar or Gentry...facts that should have preterists alarmed ..


""Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree [f] to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, [g] the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. [h] The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' [j] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. [k] "



Crusader

[Guest]

The destruction of Jerusalem is not listed as 1 of the 6 things that will be accomplished by the 490 years. In fact, the prophecy itself states that the 'holy city' would be part of all 490 years (v. 24). I believe the destruction of the city was an effect of the prophecy (since it is not specifically a piece of the prophecy).

It is quite ridiculous to imagine that at one point in the prophecy Gabriel is telling Daniel about the re-building of the city (v. 25) and the formation of a 2nd temple and then skips ahead to a 3rd temple. I think angels are a bit more organized than that.

So not all preterists need a 40 year gap. But the very fact that you are arguing against the allowance of a 40 year gap is slightly comical considering you are arguing for a 2000 year gap.

[Jill]

djeaton..its things like what you just posted that really speak volumes about who you are and what your relationship with the Lord is like..I need not even respond...All I classify you as is an angry preterist who must be at his whits end with no answers ..maybe you should consider it a sign and pray about it bro


Crusader

[Guest]

The destruction of Jerusalem is not listed as 1 of the 6 things that will be accomplished by the 490 years. In fact, the prophecy itself states that the 'holy city' would be part of all 490 years (v. 24). I believe the destruction of the city was an effect of the prophecy (since it is not specifically a piece of the prophecy).

It is quite ridiculous to imagine that at one point in the prophecy Gabriel is telling Daniel about the re-building of the city (v. 25) and the formation of a 2nd temple and then skips ahead to a 3rd temple. I think angels are a bit more organized than that.

So not all preterists need a 40 year gap. But the very fact that you are arguing against the allowance of a 40 year gap is slightly comical considering you are arguing for a 2000 year gap.

Hi Matt,
You are correct that it is odd to argue that a 40 year gap is absurd when we ourselves believe that there is a 2000+ year gap. However, I don't think Crusader is saying that a 40 year gap is absurd. He's just trying to point out that a gap is necessary for either interpretation.
I believe it is necessary for the reason that the sacrifices didn't cease. I agree that the temple's destruction is not necessarily in the 70th week but could be afterward. However, I look to a future fulfillment and believe that it will be within the 70th week.

[Guest]

I think weve been in the last days since the early Church,we are just closer now,and to the student of prophecy its exciting...thats all...we are constantly admonished in the New Testament to be looking for that Blessed Hope...the return of Jesus. I think we need to get back to having that Blessed Hope. Jesus is coming for His Bride...the Church and it could be tommorrow or tonight...we know it will be quick and catch the world off guard. In the Old Testament when a Jewish Bridegrrom was engaged the Bride was always supposed to ready since the Groom would and did appear unannounced to sweep her away. So it will be with the coming of Jesus for His Church,His Bride.

Hello Crusader,

This is a fascinating post and I'm hoping you can clarify it a bit for me. Reading it has brought a few questions to mind which perhaps we could discuss:

Do you really believe that it has been the "last days" for almost 2,000 years? That sure is a lot of days.

I had understood the "Blessed Hope" to be the resurrection of the dead, which will be preceded by the return of Christ. Nevertheless, could you point me to some of those New Testament scriptures that constantly admonish us to look for the Blessed Hope?

Could you point me to where in the Old Testament it talks about when a Jewish Bridegroom was engaged the Bride was always supposed to be ready since the Groom would and did appear unannounced to sweep her away? I'd like to read that for myself.

Thanks!

[Jill]

The destruction of Jerusalem is not listed as 1 of the 6 things that will be accomplished by the 490 years. In fact, the prophecy itself states that the 'holy city' would be part of all 490 years (v. 24). I believe the destruction of the city was an effect of the prophecy (since it is not specifically a piece of the prophecy).

It is quite ridiculous to imagine that at one point in the prophecy Gabriel is telling Daniel about the re-building of the city (v. 25) and the formation of a 2nd temple and then skips ahead to a 3rd temple. I think angels are a bit more organized than that.

So not all preterists need a 40 year gap. But the very fact that you are arguing against the allowance of a 40 year gap is slightly comical considering you are arguing for a 2000 year gap.

Most preterists beleive Matthew 24:15 is what Daniel is referring to in Daniel 9:27

"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,'[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—" Matthew 24:15


"And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of (A)abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a (B)complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate." Daniel 9:27

But you cant have Jesus crucified at the end of week 69 and then in middle of the next week ( 70 ) have this happen...because the differnece is about 40 years.

If you beleive this is talking about Jerusalem 70 A.D. then what youve essentially done is put Jesus Crucifiction and the fall of Jersualem in the same seven years or very close since Jesus entered Jerusalem at Luke 19:41 as reported at the very end of week 69 which doesnt work ..the integreity of Daniels prohpecy is intact...the last week just hasnt happened yet....In fact Paul said the exact same thing Jesus and Daniel said in 2nd Thessalonians 2:3 when explaning when the Lord would come.

"3Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. " And the Chuch is still here.

Maranatha

Crusader