Upcoming Election

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Re: Upcoming Election

Post by dwight92070 » Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:54 pm

steve wrote:It would be nice to have a candidate, on one side or the other, about whom it is possible to say better things than, "He has committed no felonies."
Dwight speaking: Steve, you seem to imply that there are not better things to say about Trump. Okay, Steve, how about this list of better things that Trump will either implement directly or do all that is in his power as President to implement.

1. Strengthen and build up our military vs. hindering them as Obama has.
2. Lower Taxes.
3. Stop the rampant political correctness.
4. Repeal Obamacare.
5. Cancel all illegal executive orders.
6 Build a wall and stop illegal immigration.
7. Appoint constitutional justices and judges.
8. Stop government funding of abortions.
9. Forcefully stop ISIS.
10. Honor and help our vets.
11. Eliminate wasteful government spending.
12. Eliminate excessive regulations that inhibit using our natural resources.
13. Allow oil companies to drill again and coal companies to mine without interference.
14. Strengthen and support our local police vs. hindering them as Obama has.
15. Eliminate persecution of Christians as Obama has. Stand up for freedom of religion.
16. Cancel the awful and illegal deal with Iran.
17. Uphold our right to bear arms vs. attempting to take that away.
18. The list goes on ...

Hillary has not promised to do any of these, with the possible exception of 9 and 10, but even those are doubtful. Did these better things not appear on your radar screen?
If so, I am amazed.

Dwight

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Re: Upcoming Election

Post by dwight92070 » Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:59 pm

Mattrose,

Given the list in the previous post, your comment that there are no good options is beyond belief. What items in that list are BAD for this country, since you say there are no good options?

Dwight

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Re: Upcoming Election

Post by steve » Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:23 pm

Dwight,

It may be true that Donald will do the things you listed. Even if he did half of them, it would improve certain conditions. I don't know how effective he will be at bringing about these changes, but, if he is elected, we shall see. Many of his positions are new-found "convictions" which he did not hold five minutes before he began running for the nomination. Will he stick by them? Who can say?

I am not saying Hillary is better. To me, she is considerably worse, since she is guilty of many acts in office that would have landed anyone less-well-connected in the pen.

I am simply disappointed to have the only option to Hillary be a man who seems to have the emotional maturity and verbal self-control of an eighth-grader. He obsesses over every personal slight offered him, and insists on striking back at insults, rather than demonstrating by mature poise and wise words that the insults are unwarranted. Like Hillary, he loses respect and popularity every time he opens his mouth in public. Hillary is wise enough to lay low and grant no interviews. Trump would do better if he would learn the same behavior.

I would have liked to see a candidate who, every time he opened his mouth, he gained more respect. Someone "presidential." I realize the bar for presidential behavior has been greatly lowered since the time of Lincoln, but it is a grieved loss.

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Re: Upcoming Election

Post by steve7150 » Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:24 pm

Hillary has not promised to do any of these, with the possible exception of 9 and 10, but even those are doubtful. Did these better things not appear on your radar screen?
If so, I am amazed.






I'm voting for Trump but let's be real. He is amazingly uninformed, crass, thin skinned, egotistical,small minded and bombastic and these are his positive qualities! Plus he called 2nd Corinthians , 2 Corinthians (sorry Paul). However i'm hoping he will do what he says what he will do except for so much infrastructure spending.
Of course with Hillary it's more of Obama so there is not even a choice.

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Re: Upcoming Election

Post by mattrose » Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:09 pm

dwight92070 wrote:Mattrose,

Given the list in the previous post, your comment that there are no good options is beyond belief. What items in that list are BAD for this country, since you say there are no good options?

Dwight
Umm... did you expect him to tell people he'd do terrible things?

I'm genuinely confused by your position. Do you actually think he's a good candidate to lead the country? Do you not have major issues with his morality? Personality? Ignorance? General ugliness toward women?

I can understand Christians voting for Trump.

I can't for the life of me understand Christians SUPPORTING Trump as if he were a good candidate.

You essentially just re-listed the republican platform and said that means he'll do some/all of that. Why should I be impressed, specifically, with him as a human being?

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Re: Upcoming Election

Post by dwight92070 » Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:31 pm

To all above:

If Hillary gets elected, I think all of you who bad-mouth him will be partly responsible. He is a non-Christian (I think) billionaire who has been wealthy all his life. How do you expect him to act? The Hillary people, mostly Democrats love to hear as many people as possible bad-mouth him because that will definitely give Hillary more votes.
Steve, you said that Trump would be wise to lay low. Why don't you follow your own advice and lay low as far as pointing out all his faults? Trump may be the one that God will use to turn this country around and at least closer to what the founders originally intended, but when even the anti-Hillary crowd is joining the pro-Hillary crowd in constantly putting Trump down, we are shooting ourselves in the foot, or to be more accurate, contributing to the demise of this country.

Please stop.

Dwight

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Re: Upcoming Election

Post by steve » Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:33 pm

I am not joining the pro-Hillary crowd. What I said here is what I said after seeing him in the first Republican debate, and every other debate thereafter. If Trump does not make himself look bad, there is nothing I can say that will make him look bad. I hope that he may take some advice from his wife or somebody, and learn to think before he speaks. I cannot do a hundredth the damage to him that he keeps doing to himself. Like many others who are critical of him, I might end up voting for him just to keep Hillary out of office. However, I am not going to be silent in my criticisms just for political expediency.

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Re: Upcoming Election

Post by Paidion » Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:51 pm

Singalphile wrote:My thoughts are pretty much summed up by what others have pointed out: As presidential candidates, the only apparent good thing about each of them is that he or she is not the other one.
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Re: Upcoming Election

Post by mattrose » Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:53 pm

dwight92070 wrote:Trump may be the one that God will use to turn this country around and at least closer to what the founders originally intended
Dwight
I never felt the need to point out Trump's blatant un-Christ-like-ness until I started to see Christians say things like this about him!

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Re: Upcoming Election

Post by dwight92070 » Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:09 pm

steve wrote:I am not joining the pro-Hillary crowd. What I said here is what I said after seeing him in the first Republican debate, and every other debate thereafter. If Trump does not make himself look bad, there is nothing I can say that will make him look bad. I hope that he may take some advice from his wife or somebody, and learn to think before he speaks. I cannot do a hundredth the damage to him that he keeps doing to himself. Like many others who are critical of him, I might end up voting for him just to keep Hillary out of office. However, I am not going to be silent in my criticisms just for political expediency.
Dwight speaking: Even though you recommend that he be silent for that reason. I think you greatly underestimate the influence that our words have, especially critical words about leaders, or in this case, potential leaders. Korah and his crowd spoke negatively about Moses and influenced a lot of people. If everyone had that same attitude that you do, i.e. "I am not going to be silent in my criticisms just for political expediency.", we can wake up on January 21,2017 to President Hillary. You may think that not everyone has that attitude, but all the Democrats have that attitude, and far too many Republicans and others have it too.

You know as well as I do, that negative talk spreads like wildfire-in fact, it might even be classified as gossip. But unfortunately, positive talk, moves quite slowly.

Dwight

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