Pat Robertson

Post by **_schoel** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:41 am

Steve150:
I appreciate our dialog, but we have somewhat hijacked this thread and this will be my final statement on this topic here.

The injustices that I refer to regarding the Palestinians are when they originally had their property and land confiscated as those of Jewish descent moved into the land. Ironically, the actions of many Palestinians at that time were equally wrong. Throughout this conflict, both sides have been guilty of injustice and sin (see my book reference in an above post in this thread). My point is that as Christians, we must realize that God doesn't favor the people of the current nation of Israel over the Arabs or Palestinians or vice versa.
Galatians 3:28; I Corinthians 2:11-22

Regarding all the calculations compiled from the Bible to point to the current state of Isreal, all have seemed somewhat subjective to me (i.e. 7 often refers to completeness and not an actual number of times). However, even if the Bible points to this future state of Israel prophetically, why would we, as Christians, need to place our support and trust in it? God doesn't need our help to establish it, nor to work out His purposes through it.

Pat Robertson, who is dispensational, often speaks as though disagreeing with the political decisions of the state of Israel, is disobeying God and will bring judgement upon those that dissent. I think we should be focusing on the spread of the Gospel instead.

Post by **_STEVE7150** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:24 pm

Schoel, Thanks for respectful tone on a topic that people often get emotional about. What i was told as i grew up was that Israel was created by the U.N. in 1948 and that immediately Arab nations declared war on Israel. But first these Arab nations told the arabs living in Israel to leave or they would be killed too in the invasion. These arabs who left became later known as Palistineans and now they want the right to return which if granted would destroy Israel. According to your source you say the Israelies consficated their land so maybe the truth lies somewhere in between. I would guess that people's viewpoints are colored by their own bias.
I don't believe God favors the current Israel over anyone else but i'm aware some dispensationalists may indeed believe this. But i'm trying to say that if this is their sincere eschatology then they have the right to believe it and preach it.
I watch the 700 club often and i don't think Pat goes quite so far to say that disagreeing with Israel equates to disobeying God although he is strongly pro-Israel.
The calculations may be subjective about Israel being reborn but when all the factors involved are considered it may be true. Stay tuned.
I agree we should focus on the spread of the gospel and trying to abide in Christ. Take care.

Post by **_Roger** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:15 am

Hey schoel,

No need to apoligize to me although I appreciate your gentle attitude. Maybe I should be appoligizing to you instead. I know we are believers and that we are for the spread of the gosple and the kingdom of God.

But I still have a love for this country and loathe the moral detereoration of it that I have witmessed in my life time. We have gone from "Leave it to Beaver" to the depths of depravity. So to me, even if the Pope voiced his strong opposition to all the evil practiced in western culture I would feel somewhat supportive towards him even though I believe the Catholic church ( if you want to call it a church...sorry for my bluntness ) is full of error.

God bless you.

Post by **_STEVE7150** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:49 pm

The last king of Israel was Zedekiah (Ez 21.25-27) and in 606BC he was dethroned by Nebuchadnezzar. Moses foretold that if the jews disobeyed God they would be punished or dispersed 7 times normal. "And if you will not yet for all this hearken unto me then I will punish you seven times more for your sins." Lev 26.18
The warning of 7 times is repeated 4 times and the symbolic time is believed to be 360 years and times this by seven you get 2,520 years which is based on Ezezkial 4.4-6 . Moses indicated this ould be the final punishment so i think this dispersion began with the time of Nebuchadnezzar in 606BC and if you add 2,520 years to this you come to 1914. This was when WW1 started and out of this the Turks lost Palist

Btw sometimes 365 is used interchangably with 360 and in this case if this were the case 606BC plus 7 times 365 would come to 1949. But it could come to 1948 depending on the exact dates in 606BC and 1948. If it did figure to 1948 that would be quite a coincidence.

Post by **_Roger** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:48 pm

Steve7150......thank you for your last post. Can you tell me where you got the number 360 or 365 from? Where can this be found?

Roger

Post by **_schoel** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:57 am

Steve150:
Would you mind starting a thread in Eschatology regarding the prophetic timetable you stated for the current nation of Israel?

I don't know that this is the Israel that Christ may return to but i do have some scriptural support which i'll give you. First i want to be clear i'm not dispensational because i don't believe in the literal 1,000 year milleneum. But even without the milleneum it's still possible that God recreated Israel for His own divine reasons.
The last king of Israel was Zedekiah (Ez 21.25-27) and in 606BC he was dethroned by Nebuchadnezzar. Moses foretold that if the jews disobeyed God they would be punished or dispersed 7 times normal. "And if you will not yet for all this hearken unto me then I will punish you seven times more for your sins." Lev 26.18
The warning of 7 times is repeated 4 times and the symbolic time is believed to be 360 years and times this by seven you get 2,520 years which is based on Ezezkial 4.4-6 . Moses indicated this ould be the final punishment so i think this dispersion began with the time of Nebuchadnezzar in 606BC and if you add 2,520 years to this you come to 1914. This was when WW1 started and out of this the Turks lost Palistine and jews were able to immigrate which led to Israel being created in 1948.

I have some questions for you, but I want to stay on the topic for the thread.

Post by **_JeffWall** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:39 pm

we are told in regards to the rulers and authorities to live a quiet life working with our hands and to live a life so that no one could have an issue with us. i am against pat robertson, jerry falwell, and all others who have become popular pastors because of their ministries then take the political poteum to fight the culture war. unbelievers will be saved through the ministry of the preaching of the gospel so i think all the pastors should refocus on their original purpose for which God called them. Paul wanted to know only one thing during his time and that was the power of the holy spirit in his preaching.

Post by **_Anonymous** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:59 pm

Steve150:
Would you mind starting a thread in Eschatology regarding the prophetic timetable you stated for the current nation of Israel?

OK i will do so soon although i'm not sure i'm qualified for this. Roger i'll get back to you asap.

Post by **_STEVE7150** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:33 pm

Hi, That was me, i'll start the thread over the weekend.

Post by **_Truthseeker** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:14 am

Schoel-
You make some very very good points regarding Mr Robertson. Pat's views on the mainly Ashkenazi Zionist Israel are not something I can share. His calling for assassinations of leaders is something he would surely condemn if someone were calling for them against those he favors. As a young man and new believer in the early seventies I hung on his every word. One of my reasons for being drawn to this forum is the predominately more gentle spirit and careful choosing of words by the largely Mennonite folks here. They tend to disagree and question one another respectfully and the demeanor of the place seems healthy to me.