Is Judas in heaven or hell?

[steve7150]

Steve, please consider the following translation:

Indeed, the son of man is going away just as it has been written concerning him. But woe to the person through whom the son of man is being given over. Good it was for him if that person had not been conceived.



Paidion you make a logical point re the possible interpretation but Jesus death was prophecied several times in the OT & in Hebrews it says he endured the cross for the joy set forth before him & scripture says the slaying of the lamb was determined before the foundation of the world.
So why would it be good for Jesus if the purpose he was born for was foiled or delayed. Did'nt Jesus say to Judas "what you must do, do quickly? Why must he have done it?

[darinhouston]

I still think that "what you must do, do quickly" sure connotes an understanding between the two of what was to transpire. Whether it is praiseworthy or not doesn't negate the possibility that they had an understanding.

[Paidion]

No, Homer! I am not saying that God's plan would have been foiled if it were not for Judas' involvement. I'm suggesting that Jesus was feeling, as a total human being, that He may have had an easier time of it if Judas had not even been conceived. Perhaps he thought of the possibility that He would not have to "drink that cup", just as He did in His prayer to the Father, "If it is possible, let this cup pass from me!"

One translation even capitalized the "Him" in the phrase, "Good it was for Him if that person had not been conceived."

However, I am not sure about all of this. It is possible in spite of the construction that the "him" could refer to Judas. But recently I have been thinking of the possibility that the "him" refers to Christ, but I am not pushing it. I didn't invent the idea myself, but got it from others. I am not yet convinced of it, but I am leaning in that direction.