What are the preterist views of Israel becoming a nation once again in 1948?
As I've been teaching through the 4 views, this seems to be the biggest wall people build against the preterist position.
I, being a preterist, view modern day Israel as I do any other nation. I believe their re-establishment is due to their strong beliefs, morals, and allies.
Have any preterist writers discussed the significance/insignificance of 1948?
1948
By definition, a "preterist" is someone who believes in a fulfillment of prophecy in past history. I suppose, since 1948 is now past history, a person who sees that event as a fulfillment of some prophecies or other would technically be a preterist with reference to those prophecies.
However, most preterists believe that the prophecies that seem to speak of the restoration of the Jews have either been fulfilled in 539 BC, with the return of the Jews from Babylon to reestablish their nation, or as spiritually fulfilled in the church, or (as with myself) a combination of the two.
There are some who hold out for "double fulfillments" of the prophecies. That is, they see fulfillment in the ancient past, but also think there was to be a second fulfillment in the end times. Those who take this view would more properly be in the "futurist" camp with reference to eschatological prophecy, rather than the preterist camp.
I think most preterists would agree with you that 1948 was not the fulfillment of any specific prophecies of scripture, and that it came about by a combination of socio-political forces--not the least of which was the influence of dispensational futuristic interpretations of prophecy among evangelicals in America and Europe.
We have often been told that this event is the most significant fulfillment of prophecy concerning the end times. However, I have yet to see which prophecy predicted this. I personally know of none. The prophecies of the return of the Jews to Israel (fulfilled in ancient history) often mention that those who are thus drawn to the land will be the believing remnant. I am not aware of any prophecy that says that unbelieving Jews would reestablish their nation, as has happened since 1948.
An excellent book that tells the history of the modern State of Israel, from a non-dispensationalist perspective, is "On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend," by Timothy P. Weber. Colin Chapman's book, "Whose Promised Land?" is also an excellent historical and biblical analysis of this issue. A book that tells the same story from a dispensationalist slant is "The American Prophecies," by Michael D. Evans (which I reviewed for the Cristian Research Journal, Vol.28/ No.1/2005).
However, most preterists believe that the prophecies that seem to speak of the restoration of the Jews have either been fulfilled in 539 BC, with the return of the Jews from Babylon to reestablish their nation, or as spiritually fulfilled in the church, or (as with myself) a combination of the two.
There are some who hold out for "double fulfillments" of the prophecies. That is, they see fulfillment in the ancient past, but also think there was to be a second fulfillment in the end times. Those who take this view would more properly be in the "futurist" camp with reference to eschatological prophecy, rather than the preterist camp.
I think most preterists would agree with you that 1948 was not the fulfillment of any specific prophecies of scripture, and that it came about by a combination of socio-political forces--not the least of which was the influence of dispensational futuristic interpretations of prophecy among evangelicals in America and Europe.
We have often been told that this event is the most significant fulfillment of prophecy concerning the end times. However, I have yet to see which prophecy predicted this. I personally know of none. The prophecies of the return of the Jews to Israel (fulfilled in ancient history) often mention that those who are thus drawn to the land will be the believing remnant. I am not aware of any prophecy that says that unbelieving Jews would reestablish their nation, as has happened since 1948.
An excellent book that tells the history of the modern State of Israel, from a non-dispensationalist perspective, is "On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend," by Timothy P. Weber. Colin Chapman's book, "Whose Promised Land?" is also an excellent historical and biblical analysis of this issue. A book that tells the same story from a dispensationalist slant is "The American Prophecies," by Michael D. Evans (which I reviewed for the Cristian Research Journal, Vol.28/ No.1/2005).
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In reality, after boiling it down, The church has replaced Israel in the spiritual sense. The children of Israel never were the church since they are of the flesh. This is proven by the Law that is held so dear by them.
The Church is of the Spirit and must hold to things above the Law. Israel could never do this. In fact they imposed more flesh into the Law causing a heavy burden that no man could bear up under.
Therefore there is no shame or error in describing the Church as the replacement of Israel. Israel must become a part of the body of the Church and that church is borne up by the root, being Christ Jesus. The Church, being of the Spirit, is grafted on through grace.
Israel's placement on the branch was that of by faith which they largely departed from thus leaving room for you and I to be grafted in. Not that we need no faith but ours is not by works as through daily sacrifices but by trust and obiedince that comes from the Law that points out our sins.
However, I have some very good friends (non-Jewish) living in Israel who would beg to differ saying that God has in fact brought the Jew back to the land, even in their unbelief, and at some future time God will once again reveal His Son thus all Israel will be saved.
I know that with God all things are possible but what, if any, scripture would refute their claim?
By the way, I'm new here so be gentle.
Edit - I found the answer to my question in tape 14 & 15 on Isaiah. Thanks for the teaching. I do have a suggestion. It would be nice if each taped message had a mouse over description of what chapters are discussed on each tape. I am a website developer and have html knowledge. If Steve would like some help with this I would be willing to give my time freely for a project like this.
The Church is of the Spirit and must hold to things above the Law. Israel could never do this. In fact they imposed more flesh into the Law causing a heavy burden that no man could bear up under.
Therefore there is no shame or error in describing the Church as the replacement of Israel. Israel must become a part of the body of the Church and that church is borne up by the root, being Christ Jesus. The Church, being of the Spirit, is grafted on through grace.
Israel's placement on the branch was that of by faith which they largely departed from thus leaving room for you and I to be grafted in. Not that we need no faith but ours is not by works as through daily sacrifices but by trust and obiedince that comes from the Law that points out our sins.
However, I have some very good friends (non-Jewish) living in Israel who would beg to differ saying that God has in fact brought the Jew back to the land, even in their unbelief, and at some future time God will once again reveal His Son thus all Israel will be saved.
I know that with God all things are possible but what, if any, scripture would refute their claim?
By the way, I'm new here so be gentle.
Edit - I found the answer to my question in tape 14 & 15 on Isaiah. Thanks for the teaching. I do have a suggestion. It would be nice if each taped message had a mouse over description of what chapters are discussed on each tape. I am a website developer and have html knowledge. If Steve would like some help with this I would be willing to give my time freely for a project like this.
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I have finished these 2 books Steve. Very good. Thanks for the recommendation.Steve wrote:An excellent book that tells the history of the modern State of Israel, from a non-dispensationalist perspective, is "On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend," by Timothy P. Weber. Colin Chapman's book, "Whose Promised Land?" is also an excellent historical and biblical analysis of this issue.
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Hemingway once said: 'The world is a fine place and worth fighting for'
I agree with the second part (se7en)
I agree with the second part (se7en)
Preterist.
I found out that I have the same viewpoint after reading the Bible for the first time, at the age of 50. There are no verse that speak of anything past the destruction of Jerusalem. No, not one. These are a fiew verses that tell a tale...
Matthew 3:7-10 "The wrath (mello - about) to come. Axe is laid to the root...whose fan is in his hand."
Matthew 10:23 "Ye shall not have gone through the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come."
Matthew 16:27,28 "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
Matthew 24:30,34 "they (the tribes of the land) shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
Luke 21:32 "This generation shall not pass, till all be fulfilled."
Acts 2:16,17 "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days"
Romans 13:11,12 "And that, knowing the time... The night is far spent, the day is at hand"
Romans 16:20 "And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly."
I Cor. 15:51 "We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment... at the last trump"
Phil. 4:5 "The Lord is at hand."
I Thess. 4:16,17 "For the Lord himself shall descend.. with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God.. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds."
I Thess. 5:23 "And I pray the very God of peace.. your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."
I Tim 6:14 "That thou keep this commandment.. until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ"
Heb 9:26 "For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."
Heb. 10:37 "For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry."
James 5:8 "Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh."
James 5:9 "Behold, the judge standeth before the door."
I Peter 4:7 "But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch.."
I John 2:18 "Little children, it is the last time:.. whereby we know that it is the last time."
Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation.. to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass."
Revelation 1:3 "The time is at hand."
Revelation 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him."
Revelation 3:11 "Behold, I come quickly.."
Revelation 22:6 "These sayings are faithful and true:.. things which must shortly be done."
Revelation 22:10 "Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand."
Revelation 22:12 "Behold, I come quickly..."
Revelation 22:20 "He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come Lord Jesus."
The End Times have already come and gone... Biblicaly anyway.
There are more... but nothing past the destruction of Jerusalem/Babylon as far as I know. sinner.
Matthew 3:7-10 "The wrath (mello - about) to come. Axe is laid to the root...whose fan is in his hand."
Matthew 10:23 "Ye shall not have gone through the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come."
Matthew 16:27,28 "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
Matthew 24:30,34 "they (the tribes of the land) shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
Luke 21:32 "This generation shall not pass, till all be fulfilled."
Acts 2:16,17 "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days"
Romans 13:11,12 "And that, knowing the time... The night is far spent, the day is at hand"
Romans 16:20 "And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly."
I Cor. 15:51 "We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment... at the last trump"
Phil. 4:5 "The Lord is at hand."
I Thess. 4:16,17 "For the Lord himself shall descend.. with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God.. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds."
I Thess. 5:23 "And I pray the very God of peace.. your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."
I Tim 6:14 "That thou keep this commandment.. until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ"
Heb 9:26 "For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."
Heb. 10:37 "For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry."
James 5:8 "Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh."
James 5:9 "Behold, the judge standeth before the door."
I Peter 4:7 "But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch.."
I John 2:18 "Little children, it is the last time:.. whereby we know that it is the last time."
Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation.. to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass."
Revelation 1:3 "The time is at hand."
Revelation 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him."
Revelation 3:11 "Behold, I come quickly.."
Revelation 22:6 "These sayings are faithful and true:.. things which must shortly be done."
Revelation 22:10 "Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand."
Revelation 22:12 "Behold, I come quickly..."
Revelation 22:20 "He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come Lord Jesus."
The End Times have already come and gone... Biblicaly anyway.
There are more... but nothing past the destruction of Jerusalem/Babylon as far as I know. sinner.
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Except the coming of Christ, the casting of Satan and his angels into the bottomless pit, the ressurrection, and the judgement. Oh yes, and then eternity with Christ our Savior.There are more... but nothing past the destruction of Jerusalem/Babylon as far as I know. sinner.
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Mattrose
Great question and great topic. This is one awesome prophecy in Ezekiel 37 which is a heavy hammer coming down on the preterist view regarding Israel. I recommend you research it fully and see what others have said regarding Ekekiel 37 for I would be interested in what they have to say about David in this prophecy,since he had been dead for four hundred years when it was written. It also speaks of resurrection. One more thing I would hasten to add,if as preterists maintain we are in the 1000 year millennial reign of Christ and the Devils actually been bound for 1000 years....why all the spiritual warfare...
Heres Ezekiel 37.
" The hand of the LORD was upon me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, "Son of man, can these bones live?"
I said, "O Sovereign LORD, you alone know."
4 Then he said to me, "Prophesy to these bones and say to them, 'Dry bones, hear the word of the LORD! 5 This is what the Sovereign LORD says to these bones: I will make breath [a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the LORD.' "
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, "Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to it, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe into these slain, that they may live.' " 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They say, 'Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.' 12 Therefore prophesy and say to them: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: O my people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the LORD have spoken, and I have done it, declares the LORD.' "
One Nation Under One King
15 The word of the LORD came to me: 16 "Son of man, take a stick of wood and write on it, 'Belonging to Judah and the Israelites associated with him.' Then take another stick of wood, and write on it, 'Ephraim's stick, belonging to Joseph and all the house of Israel associated with him.' 17 Join them together into one stick so that they will become one in your hand.
18 "When your countrymen ask you, 'Won't you tell us what you mean by this?' 19 say to them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am going to take the stick of Joseph—which is in Ephraim's hand—and of the Israelite tribes associated with him, and join it to Judah's stick, making them a single stick of wood, and they will become one in my hand.' 20 Hold before their eyes the sticks you have written on 21 and say to them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. 22 I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms. 23 They will no longer defile themselves with their idols and vile images or with any of their offenses, for I will save them from all their sinful backsliding, [b] and I will cleanse them. They will be my people, and I will be their God.
24 " 'My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees. 25 They will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your fathers lived. They and their children and their children's children will live there forever, and David my servant will be their prince forever. 26 I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and increase their numbers, and I will put my sanctuary among them forever. 27 My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be my people. 28 Then the nations will know that I the LORD make Israel holy, when my sanctuary is among them forever.' "
Israel becoming a nation startled many Bible believing theologians,isnt Gods Word wonderful though and are not Gods promises awesome.
In His Service
Crusader
Great question and great topic. This is one awesome prophecy in Ezekiel 37 which is a heavy hammer coming down on the preterist view regarding Israel. I recommend you research it fully and see what others have said regarding Ekekiel 37 for I would be interested in what they have to say about David in this prophecy,since he had been dead for four hundred years when it was written. It also speaks of resurrection. One more thing I would hasten to add,if as preterists maintain we are in the 1000 year millennial reign of Christ and the Devils actually been bound for 1000 years....why all the spiritual warfare...
Heres Ezekiel 37.
" The hand of the LORD was upon me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, "Son of man, can these bones live?"
I said, "O Sovereign LORD, you alone know."
4 Then he said to me, "Prophesy to these bones and say to them, 'Dry bones, hear the word of the LORD! 5 This is what the Sovereign LORD says to these bones: I will make breath [a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the LORD.' "
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, "Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to it, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe into these slain, that they may live.' " 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They say, 'Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.' 12 Therefore prophesy and say to them: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: O my people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the LORD have spoken, and I have done it, declares the LORD.' "
One Nation Under One King
15 The word of the LORD came to me: 16 "Son of man, take a stick of wood and write on it, 'Belonging to Judah and the Israelites associated with him.' Then take another stick of wood, and write on it, 'Ephraim's stick, belonging to Joseph and all the house of Israel associated with him.' 17 Join them together into one stick so that they will become one in your hand.
18 "When your countrymen ask you, 'Won't you tell us what you mean by this?' 19 say to them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am going to take the stick of Joseph—which is in Ephraim's hand—and of the Israelite tribes associated with him, and join it to Judah's stick, making them a single stick of wood, and they will become one in my hand.' 20 Hold before their eyes the sticks you have written on 21 and say to them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. 22 I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms. 23 They will no longer defile themselves with their idols and vile images or with any of their offenses, for I will save them from all their sinful backsliding, [b] and I will cleanse them. They will be my people, and I will be their God.
24 " 'My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees. 25 They will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your fathers lived. They and their children and their children's children will live there forever, and David my servant will be their prince forever. 26 I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and increase their numbers, and I will put my sanctuary among them forever. 27 My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be my people. 28 Then the nations will know that I the LORD make Israel holy, when my sanctuary is among them forever.' "
Israel becoming a nation startled many Bible believing theologians,isnt Gods Word wonderful though and are not Gods promises awesome.
In His Service
Crusader
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Crusader, here are two links to help you with settling the issues you have in understanding the binding of satan.
http://www.livebytruth.com/BindingSatan.html
http://www.livebytruth.com/BindingSatan2.html
You also might be interested in knowing that Christ, right now reigns over the whole world. His dynasty is forever.
http://www.livebytruth.com/ThroneofDavid.html
http://www.livebytruth.com/BindingSatan.html
http://www.livebytruth.com/BindingSatan2.html
You also might be interested in knowing that Christ, right now reigns over the whole world. His dynasty is forever.
http://www.livebytruth.com/ThroneofDavid.html
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Here's one I cannot understand as being fulfilled:sinner wrote:I found out that I have the same viewpoint after reading the Bible for the first time, at the age of 50. There are no verse that speak of anything past the destruction of Jerusalem. No, not one. These are a fiew verses that tell a tale...
Rev 21:4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away."
Which corresponds with:
1Co 15:21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.
1Co 15:24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
Heb 10:12-13 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet.
When does this happen? It seems to happen at the "rapture":
1Co 15:51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."
1Co 15:55 "O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?"
Since Jesus was physical after His resurrection, we also will be (Luke 24:39) and I don't see the graves empty, and people still die. So how can death be defeated and the dead raised?
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By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another. (John 13:35)
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I'm not sure I understand. It says: "O my people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel." You then apply it to 1948. So you are saying that those God put in the land of Israel starting in 1948 have been resurrected from the dead?Crusader wrote:This is what the Sovereign LORD says: O my people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the LORD have spoken, and I have done it, declares the LORD.'
Israel becoming a nation startled many Bible believing theologians,isnt Gods Word wonderful though and are not Gods promises awesome.
In His Service
Crusader
It also says: "I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the LORD have spoken, and I have done it, declares the LORD." When they are settled in the land they will know God did this, and would have the Spirit in them. But if they have the Spirit in them now, then how can they reject Christ?
Joh 15:26 "But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.
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By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another. (John 13:35)