Homer called to add some thoughts on a call by a woman concerned with gluttony. As I thought about it, it dawned on me that there are ways to "flee/avoid" temptation even when it comes to food -- avoid buffets, pick a small plate, make an excuse to go to the restroom or something before the dessert cart comes around -- fill your house with only healthy food so it's not around at night -- etc... When you'r sitting down with that bag of chips and the spirit makes you aware -- get up THEN and put the bag up -- not one more chip.
Just ideas.... I don't see this as much different than other sins in the sort of care you should take to avoid the opportunities for temptation, even if you do have to still eat.
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My budist freind made refresh to Gluttony and the 7 deadly sins the other day. I told him I couldn't remember any reference to gluttony in the bible. I did a quick search and couldn't find gluttony in any of my version in e-sword. Does anyone have a biblical reference for gluttony?
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i was wondering the same thing, Murf.
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I did a quick google search and copied these from various articles -- no checking of accuracy or translations, etc., but it should give you a "flavor" (pun intended). It's quite a long list of references to eating food for drunkenness or the like and the practical feeding of our flesh not for sustenance but for epicurean delight, etc.
I believe we can (some of us can) "enjoy" or "savor" fine things, but when it becomes a driver of our motivations or occupies our thoughts and time, or causes us to neglect the care of our bodies or neglect responsibilities, etc. how is that different than any other obsession? Some people can't handle that any more than others can enjoy a drink now and again without getting drunk.
Deuteronomy 21:20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.
Proverbs 23:21 for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.
Proverbs 30:21 "Under three things the earth trembles, under four it cannot bear up: 22 a servant who becomes king, a fool who is full of food,
Luke 12:19 And I'll say to myself, "You have plenty of good things laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry."' 20 "But God said to him, 'You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?'
Phillippians 3:19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things.
Matthew 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Isaiah 22:13 And behold joy and gladness, slaying oxen, and killing sheep, eating flesh, and drinking wine: let us eat and drink; for to morrow we shall die.
1 Corinthians 15:32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
Ecclesiastes 10:16-17 Woe to thee, O land, when thy king is a child, and thy princes eat in the morning! Blessed art thou, O land, when thy king is the son of nobles, and thy princes eat in due season, for strength, and not for drunkenness!
1 Peter 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
Proverbs 23:2-3 And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.
Psalms 141:4 Incline not my heart to any evil thing, to practise wicked works with men that work iniquity: and let me not eat of their dainties.
Numbers 11:33-34 And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague. And he called the name of that place Kibrothhattaavah: because there they buried the people that lusted.
Luke 12:45-46 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Genesis 25:30-34 And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red pottage; for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom. And Jacob said, Sell me this day thy birthright. And Esau said, Behold, I am at the point to die: and what profit shall this birthright do to me? And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob. Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised his birthright. ...
Hebrews 12:16-17 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
Numbers 11:4 And the mixt multitude that was among them fell a lusting: and the children of Israel also wept again, and said, Who shall give us flesh to eat?
Psalms 78:18 And they tempted God in their heart by asking meat for their lust....
I believe we can (some of us can) "enjoy" or "savor" fine things, but when it becomes a driver of our motivations or occupies our thoughts and time, or causes us to neglect the care of our bodies or neglect responsibilities, etc. how is that different than any other obsession? Some people can't handle that any more than others can enjoy a drink now and again without getting drunk.
Deuteronomy 21:20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.
Proverbs 23:21 for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.
Proverbs 30:21 "Under three things the earth trembles, under four it cannot bear up: 22 a servant who becomes king, a fool who is full of food,
Luke 12:19 And I'll say to myself, "You have plenty of good things laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry."' 20 "But God said to him, 'You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?'
Phillippians 3:19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things.
Matthew 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Isaiah 22:13 And behold joy and gladness, slaying oxen, and killing sheep, eating flesh, and drinking wine: let us eat and drink; for to morrow we shall die.
1 Corinthians 15:32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
Ecclesiastes 10:16-17 Woe to thee, O land, when thy king is a child, and thy princes eat in the morning! Blessed art thou, O land, when thy king is the son of nobles, and thy princes eat in due season, for strength, and not for drunkenness!
1 Peter 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
Proverbs 23:2-3 And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.
Psalms 141:4 Incline not my heart to any evil thing, to practise wicked works with men that work iniquity: and let me not eat of their dainties.
Numbers 11:33-34 And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague. And he called the name of that place Kibrothhattaavah: because there they buried the people that lusted.
Luke 12:45-46 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Genesis 25:30-34 And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red pottage; for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom. And Jacob said, Sell me this day thy birthright. And Esau said, Behold, I am at the point to die: and what profit shall this birthright do to me? And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob. Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised his birthright. ...
Hebrews 12:16-17 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
Numbers 11:4 And the mixt multitude that was among them fell a lusting: and the children of Israel also wept again, and said, Who shall give us flesh to eat?
Psalms 78:18 And they tempted God in their heart by asking meat for their lust....
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Thanks for the search Darin, There are a lot more references than I would have thought, but none really jump out and say "Thou shall not be a Glutton".
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This one jumps out!
Proverbs 23:2 ... put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony. NIV
Proverbs 23:2 ... put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony. NIV
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You "guys" are great! This thread is so edifying--especially right now! Jesus said, "I in them and you in Me, that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that you have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me." John 17:23
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Phillippians 3:19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things.
This one jumps out to me. I've read some fairly amazing accounts of people who are gourmands, obsessed with food & and do literally seem to live mainly to enjoy eating.
With the way the NASB words it, I wonder if the implication is not merely in reference to food but also to any other purely physical appetite that may be over-indulged in.
Philippians 3:19 whose end is destruction, whose god is [their] appetite, and [whose] glory is in their shame, who set their minds on earthly things. (NASB)
This one jumps out to me. I've read some fairly amazing accounts of people who are gourmands, obsessed with food & and do literally seem to live mainly to enjoy eating.
With the way the NASB words it, I wonder if the implication is not merely in reference to food but also to any other purely physical appetite that may be over-indulged in.
Philippians 3:19 whose end is destruction, whose god is [their] appetite, and [whose] glory is in their shame, who set their minds on earthly things. (NASB)
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Here is what might be a "worst case" of sinful eating:
1 Corinthians 11 (New King James Version)
17. Now in giving these instructions I do not praise you, since you come together not for the better but for the worse. 18. For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. 19. For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you. 20. Therefore when you come together in one place, it is not to eat the Lord’s Supper. 21. For in eating, each one takes his own supper ahead of others; and one is hungry and another is drunk. 22. What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and shame those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you in this? I do not praise you.--------------------33. Therefore, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. 34. But if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, lest you come together for judgment. And the rest I will set in order when I come.
If we define gluttony as "greedy and voracious eating and drinking", that would seem to be the sin Paul refers to. This isn't the same as overeating which I referred to when I called in to Steve.
I am troubled by the tendency to "invent" sins. I have heard smoking spoken of, from the pulpit, as though it is some sort of terrible sin. The only scriptural basis for this is that it is harmful to the body, although some smokers live to a ripe old age. And so do some who eat too much. In regard to eating, when does it become a sin? I know a lady who seems to eat twice as much as her husband, and neither are overweight. So it must be the amount eaten that causes one to be overweight that is sinful. But then, suppose the overweight person lives to be 90 years old, as a friend of ours did. Is he excused because of his long life, while my father, who was overweight and died of a heart attack at 65, guilty of sin? And what of those who do not exercise as they should? There is no end to this.
It seems to me the real sin in regard to food is the greedy part.
1 Corinthians 11 (New King James Version)
17. Now in giving these instructions I do not praise you, since you come together not for the better but for the worse. 18. For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. 19. For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you. 20. Therefore when you come together in one place, it is not to eat the Lord’s Supper. 21. For in eating, each one takes his own supper ahead of others; and one is hungry and another is drunk. 22. What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and shame those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you in this? I do not praise you.--------------------33. Therefore, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. 34. But if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, lest you come together for judgment. And the rest I will set in order when I come.
If we define gluttony as "greedy and voracious eating and drinking", that would seem to be the sin Paul refers to. This isn't the same as overeating which I referred to when I called in to Steve.
I am troubled by the tendency to "invent" sins. I have heard smoking spoken of, from the pulpit, as though it is some sort of terrible sin. The only scriptural basis for this is that it is harmful to the body, although some smokers live to a ripe old age. And so do some who eat too much. In regard to eating, when does it become a sin? I know a lady who seems to eat twice as much as her husband, and neither are overweight. So it must be the amount eaten that causes one to be overweight that is sinful. But then, suppose the overweight person lives to be 90 years old, as a friend of ours did. Is he excused because of his long life, while my father, who was overweight and died of a heart attack at 65, guilty of sin? And what of those who do not exercise as they should? There is no end to this.
It seems to me the real sin in regard to food is the greedy part.
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I'm not sure I agree with you, Homer. I do think cigarettes (or anything, really) can become a sin if it grabs hold of your life and you allow it to control you -- it can become like an idol for people. I've never had a "moral" issue with smoking (though it does disgust me, personally). I believe that anything you become enslaved to is another master, and should be avoided. For some (maybe even many/most), even sports obsession or tv enslavement can be a sin.
I don't see this as inventing sins.
I don't see this as inventing sins.