How Do You Pray for the Sick?

Post by **_Paidion** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:35 am

What is Open Theism ?

The term itself refers to the belief that

1. the future is partially open (that is, not yet determined, but will occur according to the choices of free will agents and God's response to those choices)

and

2. the future is partially settled or pre-determined (those aspects of the future which God had decided to bring about in spite of man's choices).

Post by **_djeaton** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:20 am

Paidion wrote:
What is Open Theism ?
The term itself refers to the belief that
1. the future is partially open (that is, not yet determined, but will occur according to the choices of free will agents and God's response to those choices)
and
2. the future is partially settled or pre-determined (those aspects of the future which God had decided to bring about in spite of man's choices).

In other words, God knows what He is going to do in the future, but not what we will do, and what we do may make Him change His mind...sounds pretty un-settling to me.

D.

Post by **__id_2247** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:50 pm

Hard for our minds to see this as we are programed to live a certain way and think a certain way?
But HE saw EVERYTHING, before HE made the first being!

Like we see life all coming from births, To think GOD Made all things, To us quickly comes the Question, who made GOD?

It hard to think , HE was and always was. There is nothing before GOD!
And to think? He knew each hair on your head and every thought you would have , Is very hard for us to SEE!
But just knowing he build us, which to me? Is a GREAT thing. Taking dust and building these bodies ? WOW? HOW GREAT IS HE???
And Why , would not the Whole world Quickly BOW before HIm.And knowing He was willing to come here as a baby and live a life everyday suffering just to Have You as a son or daughter?
WHY? Why LOVE these who hate HIm or hurt HIm daily ? As i know? SIn hurts HIM!
Still , HE longs to have us as FAMILY!
He promises much to us? if we just say ? I DO and mean it!
I see me? I do not see much, a failure , maybe a coward and weak being , always needing HIm.
Yet HE is willing! WHY? why waste time with such weak beings?
How can HE love you and me And suffer so over us?
Well, I know it is TRUE. Yet I still do not fully understand , Such LOVE!
I hope one day, I too could LOVE others as HE LOVES ME!
Of course , GOD has already seen our end, I have not! I must think, I will be much more like HIm, after all is said and done. I SURE HOPE SO!

Post by **_Homer** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:23 pm

Paidion,

You wrote:

Quote:
What is Open Theism ?

The term itself refers to the belief that

1. the future is partially open (that is, not yet determined, but will occur according to the choices of free will agents and God's response to those choices)

and

2. the future is partially settled or pre-determined (those aspects of the future which God had decided to bring about in spite of man's choices).
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If this is so, then all that God forenew He caused to happen. He knew before He created Adam that Adam would sin, did He not? He had made provision for it before creation; "the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world". Is God then responsible for Adam's sin?

Post by **__id_2247** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:04 pm

GOD CREATED ALL THINGS PERFECT!
He is VERY WISE!

He saw what satan would do, then used it to gain the Holy Family HE wanted!
He knew, if these beings were willing to die to try and please HIm, they would be wonderful children. after all, we were made in HIS image!
The point of that being? We could think and act like Him, Yet bow and humble our selves before Him , And be very happy He LOVES us and Blesses us!

The other being He made, were made to serve Him in different ways, But none made like us!
He formed a pattern of the type of beings , hHe wanted HIS children to be made like . and decided the price of our sins was a holy perfect body with holy perfect Blood!
He enter into mary and she grew that perfect seed into JESUS CHRIST!
He made it so? JESUS CHRIST had to learn as if He had been a true child of the flesh.He had to learn Everything just like any normal child, I think it is to be compared with us, Once we are BORN OF GOD.We to are babies and must learn even as our LORD DID!We are babies in our spirit!
I do not think our LORD knew any more than we do at our birth, our second birth or our first birth!
I think, Every chance Our LORD had? We also have?
We have the same teacher HE had, The same powers though HIS mighty name!
Could we do the acts HE did? I think so!
Will we? i doubt it???
But I do believe we could!
Now I know if GOD could yse a person like me to heal the sick raise the dead cast out demons, Surly HE could use YOU or any child of GOD, And in a more perfect way!
I see me as not much? What i mean is? I do not see my self as above any in MY LORD!
Maybe Less than many!
I was kind of a warrior type guy growing up. And tend to lean that way, when I get upset!
This is not good, As i walk more in my spirit , I get more kind and willing to be abused. As i walk less in myn spirit? I get more into the fleshly thinking, which is bad!
When I first accepted the LORD, I was very meek. My wife told me, I was very happy to be your wife. You feared nothing. Now you are no longer a man. you allow all to say anything to you and never fight back.
I said/ Honey , God does not want me hurting others! I will not hurt a person over a few words!

I believe without a doubt GOD saw Everything , He hates sin.Nothing is worse than sin to HIm.Sin destroys everything it touches. Yet He saw? if I allow this evil which I cannot stand? I will gain a family i can be Very happy with.
He never created satan to sin. And the heavens Never saw a person or being rebel against GOD!

So this was a shock to the many creatures in heaven.
THen when they came upon the earth , they worked on eve who had no idea what sin was. She heard there lies and lived them.
as we dop many times in our lives?
Then I think? Adam Loved her and did not want to lose her , so He chose to hear her instead of GODS ORDERS.
Of course had HE not sinned. God would have destroyed eve and gave adam a better or just as good wife i think!
Anyway HE saw all this and HE saw the end of it.
A perfect planet with perfect children on it.Who will love and obey HIM forever more!
Really a Big statement , Think of time. which really ends. But if we could think of it? a billion times a billion times billions would not be forever and WE NEVER SIn again in that time and MUCH MORE!
So the point being He wanted a family and once satan is put in the lake of fire for the last time! NO one EVER sins again!
The point really is Mankind is Not for sin.But for LOVE and obeying the LORD!
We are Creatures of habit and will always be that type being. without satan on the earth? Mankind would never have sinned nor will they after satan is done away with!
This is just my personal thoughts and they may not be worth much to others?
But i think this way!
I think? We are a brand new race of beings. Made after the 2nd adam .
but with his mind and nature. yet confused because the flesh wants to live one way, and in our heart [spirit] we want to live for the LORD . our spirits hate these weak sick bodies!
and our outward mind has control over both , until we are walking and living in our spirit.
so until that happens in our lifes?

We are confused more than not???a kind of battle daily

Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

i believe this is our spirit, many think it is the holy spirit. i do not!

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
THIS is our spirit in my mind!
We follow and are taught by the Holy GHOST but walk and live in our own spirit!
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Our spirit will never fail our LORD or sin or anything against our LORD!

Post by **_TK** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:32 pm

I wanted to bump this because I have been struggling with the concept of prayer in general- not quite a crisis in faith, but rather a crisis in understanding, if that makes any sense.

Scripture seems to say that what we pray for must align with God's will. In other words, it seems that if our prayer is answered, it must have been in line with God's will for Him to answer it.

Then what is the point in praying? If what I pray for is not God's will, then He will simply say "no," which apparently is what would have happened had I not prayed at all.

If my prayer is answered with a "yes," how do I know it wouldnt have happened anyway, even had I not prayed, since it was obviously God's will for it to happen?

Jesus tells us to "ask;" James tells us that we have not because we ask not. But what if what we ask for isnt God's will? Back to the same problem- it seems the only time it will seem that our prayer is answered (like we want it to be) is when what we ask happens to be God's will anyway.

Let me put it more concretely. My sister in law was just diagnosed with breast cancer (very early, thankfully). several others in my church also have cancer. What good does it do to pray that any of them be healed if it is not God's will to do so? If we don't pray, and they get worse and die, was it because we didnt pray, or because it was simply God's will that they die? If we do pray, and they are not healed, then what good is prayer(sorry that sound harsh- but i'm struggling a little with this), since obviously it was not God's will to heal them? And if we pray, and they ARE healed, wasnt it just God's will to heal them, whether we prayed or not?

Help me understand this, please.

TK

Post by **__id_2247** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:50 pm

Well of course we live by FAITH, Faith works by LOVE only!
THe LORd knows what we need in life!
But, just as a child asks there Mom or dad for something, He too wants us to ask!

I know, The HOLY GHOST waits 24/ 7 for us to ask!
He wants us to know everything, but He will not force us. But waits for us to ask!

As far as gaining things in life!
Joh 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

The point being? He knows every part of our lives from berginning to end. So HE knows what might hurt us or cause us trouble. Rather than see us suffer? He might not give something to us? But , i know HE will anyhow if we keep asking. But it is a Very bad move to NOT be in HIS perfect will!

I have learned never ask for anything not in HIS perfect will. I hope you to know this???

He wants us happy and to have the best in life, But , we are building up treasures in heaven , which will be far greater than these things of earth!

Still i have gotten much by asking. I got this home and kids and my business and much more , all by askinmg. Now i have had to suffer at times for some of these things. He does not always work as we want HIM to?

But , we recievce nothiong without FAITH!

I ask and thank HIm for it , before I ever see the thing I want!
9 times out of 10 i get it.,. but not always so quickly?

My wife could not have kids. I ask HIM to give her one? He said NO. I said but LORD she has suffered much in her life! He said NO. I said LORD would YOU for me???
He said YES!

He is like in good dad in a way as HE wants HIS children HAPPY.

He looks for reasons to bless us!

Post by **__id_2247** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:00 pm

Of course Our power is in the mighty name of JESUS CHRIST, We do All things as unto HIM. We even pray to the Father in the mighty name of JESUS CHRIST!
We have our lives eternal though our LORD JESUS CHRIST . we are HIS body and church.
HIS PERFECT CHURCH!

Perfect being? Without sin.
of course GOD is the Father of Spirit beings. which we do not see our spirit!

many are taught they are still sinners , even after being born of GOD! This is a lie!
GOD does not have sinners as children

But of course our flesh has a sin nature and dies because of it! We never die , once BORN AGAIN? Because our new birth makes us new creatures and without sin.

That is the point of BORN AGAIN or born from above or born of GOd or Born of our Spirit!

other wise? We would be No different that the world!

Post by **_TK** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:27 pm

well, thanks spirit1st, but i am not really looking for a rah rah speech- i've heard them all before and have used them myself.

i am trying to figure out theology as it relates to prayer, if there is such a thing.

TK

Post by **__id_2247** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:38 am

Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.