The Trinity and time

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The Son is consist of flesh and Spirit. I believe if you remove the flesh the Son will still be Son. There will be no difference.

I agree. That isn't my point. My point is that Christ, in material form, is different from any part of the Godhead in Spirit form. If you believe that Christ appeared in physical form in the Old Testament and dealt with people then, as well as His appearance in the Gospels, doesn't that open up the possibility of part of the Godhead being "in time", at least for particular visits, while the Father and the Holy Spirit would remain fully outside of time and fully omniscient and omnipresent?
D.

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DJ wrote:

My point is that Christ, in material form, is different from any part of the Godhead in Spirit form

No DJ. I believe that the Spirit inside the flesh that Christ used in this world is omnipresent and omniscient inside or ouitside time.

Here is my "New Idea" although is not mentioned in the bible:
1) I believe that God has the capability to divide his Spirit into 3 namely The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit which means He also has the capability to unite his Spirit into one.

Paidion wrote:

They believed that Christ hadn't become man, but rather He only manifested in the flesh what He already was.

1)I believe that the Spirit of Christ ( Spirit of God) has a mind otherwise the Holy Spirit will not be able to counsel or guide us.
2) When the Spirit of Christ ( Holy Spirit) took on the flesh the result was a human being therefore Jesus Christ became a man.

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No DJ. I believe that the Spirit inside the flesh that Christ used in this world is omnipresent and omniscient inside or ouitside time.

I don't think we can divorce Christ from the material body. It was the body that bled and died. It was belief in those "stripes" that "healed" us. Christ was fully God *and* fully man. The "man" part interacted within space and time. The "man" part had a beginning and an end. Is there Biblical support for the idea that while Christ was here on earth that His Spirit was omnipresent? I can't think of one. And we are told that He grew in wisdom and stature and that He didn't know the date of His return. How is that possible if He remained omniscient while here in material form? I'm not saying that I'm right about this, and if you can elaborate further on how your idea would work, I'd love to read it.
D.

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Christ was fully God *and* fully man. The "man" part interacted within space and time.

I agree. As I said before that the Spirit inside the flesh is Omnipresent and Omniscient (Divine) . The combination of Divine spirit and flesh is equal to human being ( MAN) therefore Jesus is fully man and fully God.

Is there Biblical support for the idea that while Christ was here on earth that His Spirit was omnipresent

Many, an example of this is when Jesus forgave the sins of the sinners. Only God can forgive sins and yet Jesus forgave our sins therefore He is God which means He is Omnipresent. We can not remove any of God's attribute such as his attrubute of Omnipresent if we are going to call him God.

You see Phillippians 2:6-8 is talking about God humbling himself by taking the human nature. When Paul mentioned the word empty he is using this
word as a metaphor . Paul used the word empty as a metaphor for the word humble in short empty means humble. God did not literally remove his attributes when He took on the human flesh. The proper word that I can think is Suppress. He kept his attribute of being omnipresent suppressed by not using it.

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Is there Biblical support for the idea that while Christ was here on earth that His Spirit was omnipresent

Many, an example of this is when Jesus forgave the sins of the sinners. Only God can forgive sins and yet Jesus forgave our sins therefore He is God which means He is Omnipresent.

Proof that Christ was God doesn't prove that Christ, in material form, shared all of the same interactions in time and space as the Father. There has to be *some* differences. Look at what happened on the cross, for example. Christ became sin, does that mean that the Father did as well?

We can not remove any of God's attribute such as his attrubute of Omnipresent if we are going to call him God.

Again, look at the cross. Christ, as God, is pure and holy. Yet He became sin for us. How does that work is there is no difference between Christ while here on earth and the Father, as Spirit, in heaven?
D.

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Proof that Christ was God doesn't prove that Christ, in material form, shared all of the same interactions in time and space as the Father. There has to be *some* differences. Look at what happened on the cross, for example. Christ became sin, does that mean that the Father did as well?

Yes, I agree with you as I mentiond from my previous post that God has the ability to divide or expand himself into 3 spirit namely the Father,Son and HolySpirit but this does not mean that there are 3 Gods.

Again, look at the cross. Christ, as God, is pure and holy. Yet He became sin for us. How does that work is there is no difference between Christ while here on earth and the Father, as Spirit, in heaven?

As Spirit:
In terms of attributes they don't have differences but in terms of mission they do have differences.

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Christology was argued in the early church for centuries. Proponents of some views were condemned as heretics.

I think the answer becomes more clear if we accept the fact that the pre-existent Word, the Son of God, didn't clothe Himself with human flesh. Rather He became man. He became a real man. Not God residing in Him, taking the place of the human mind. Every part of Him was human, mind and body. He got hungry and thirsty as other men. He was tempted in every way as other men, yet He chose not to sin on any occasion. He could not perform miracles any more than any other man. He had to depend on His Father to work the miracles through Him.

He did not seek equality with God, but emptied Himself. I think that means He divested Himself of all of His divine attributes. The only thing He retained was His identity as the Son of God.

I think He truly died as any other person dies. He didn't "go to Heaven" when He died. He depended on His Father to raise Him to life again. After His resurrection, He said, "I have not yet ascended to my Father."

He was the first-born of the resurrection --- the first-born of many brethren, that is, the first-born of the holy ones who will share in the first resurrection.

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I think the answer becomes more clear if we accept the fact that the pre-existent Word, the Son of God, didn't clothe Himself with human flesh. Rather He became man. He became a real man. Not God residing in Him, taking the place of the human mind. Every part of Him was human, mind and body. He got hungry and thirsty as other men. He was tempted in every way as other men, yet He chose not to sin on any occasion. He could not perform miracles any more than any other man. He had to depend on His Father to work the miracles through Him.

If I was as eloquent as you, that is what I would have said instead of "I don't think we can divorce the spirit from the body.
D.

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My question to you guys is that what kind of spirit resides in Jesus' body?

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My question to you guys is that what kind of spirit resides in Jesus' body?

A/The Holy one.
D.