Isaiah 65:17

Post by **_Micah** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:19 pm

17"For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind.

Is this stating that every experience we have here will be completely forgotten? If so, than what is this experience for? Strictly a test or something else.

Post by **_TK** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:26 pm

hey micah-

i find it very hard to believe that when our life here comes to an end, that our memories will be wiped clean and we will start over from scratch. i think we will remember everything, but will see things in a different light so as to not cause tears or sorrow (about the regretful or hurtful things).

therefore, i guess my position would be that the second sentence of the verse you quoted doesnt mean that we will forget everything. if you want biblical support (and not just my opinion) i'll try to find something. i cant think of anything right this second.

TK

Post by **_Micah** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:30 pm

Yeah if you do have biblical support that would be great. I find it hard to believe as well, but the scripture is pretty clear that we will not remember or have them come to mind.

Maybe it is referring that our focus will be so much on Christ that we won't have time to think about the former things. Of course that is imposing something on the verse.

Post by **_Derek** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:40 pm

I have understood this to be God not remembering our sins. See vs. 16 where God says "the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes".

It could be freedom in "Isreal" from punishment from God and the former judgments He had brought about.

Not really sure though.

God bless,

Post by **_Sean** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:12 am

Maybe it refers to the old covenant. It was replaced by the new covenant and is no longer what we are to "bring to mind" since the new has come. It's like the wording of Jeremiah:

Jer 3:16 And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.

I don't think it's that they will not be able to remember it, it's just that there will be something in it's place. Like when it says God will no longer remember our sins. If that were literally the case then how could He judge us? He wouldn't remember what they did wrong. Of course that means a symbolic interpretation and application.

Post by **_Steve** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:35 am

My view is the same as what Sean has suggested. The verse in Jeremiah 3 also seemed to me to correlate with it.

Post by **_Father_of_five** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:19 pm

Micah wrote:
17"For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind.

Is this stating that every experience we have here will be completely forgotten? If so, than what is this experience for? Strictly a test or something else.

Micah,

From your comment it seems you are equating the "new heavens and new earth" with something that is not experienced until after the return of Christ. I would agree with Sean and Steve that it more than likely relates to the new covenant which was ratified with the death of Christ. Therefore, the new heavens and the new earth exist today, spiritually. When someone is "born again" they leave the old earth behind and are "reborn" into the new heavens and new earth.

2 Cor 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

Todd

The Narrow Path Ministries

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