How Did Inspiration Work??

[Guest]

Ya, you are probably right, you can guess, I got that idea from God's word Homer.
1 Corinthians 2:7-8 (KJV)
(7) But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery [musterion, Sacred Secret], even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
(8) Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. [2]

Ephesians 3
2Surely you have heard about the administration of God's grace that was given to me for you,
It is also known as “…the administration of the sacred secret…” (Eph. 3:9-Rotherham.
The administrations before the Administration of the Sacred Secret are 1) Original Paradise (Garden of Eden). 2) Conscience (The Fall to the Flood). 3) Civil Government (Flood to the Mosaic Law), and 4) The Law.

2 Corinthians 3
6He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

The Glory of the New Covenant
7Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was, 8will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9If the ministry that condemns men is glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory.
Ephesians 3
10His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms,

1 Corinthians 2:7 (New International Version)

7No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.

Jesus instructed his apostles to pray using “Father” in the Gospels, but in the Eastern culture, “Father” was a term that was used in a variety of ways. Among other uses, “father” showed endearment or respect, or to refer to one who could give help and advice. Joseph was made a “father” to Pharaoh (Gen. 45:8); Micah asked the wandering Levite to be a “father” to him, but the Danites wanted him to be a father to them (Judg. 17:10 and 18:19); Elisha called Elijah “father” (2 Kings 2:12), Naaman’s servants called him “father” (2 Kings 5:13); the king of Israel called Elisha “father” (2 Kings 6:21); etc. The point is that the term “father” in the Eastern culture did not necessarily refer to birth. In the Old Testament God was a God to be feared and obeyed as a God of Judgment. Jesus changed people’s perception of God from that distant relationship to the more intimate relationship of “Father.” However, Jesus never taught that one day God would literally be a Father who would give birth in people and impart His very nature to them, making them part of His family, that was part of the Sacred Secret.

We have the manifestations of speaking in tongues and interpretation of tongues (1 Cor. 12:10, 14:2-5). These manifestations were not practiced or foretold in the Bible until after the resurrection of Christ. Satan did not know about them.

Are your palms sweating Homer? They should be, since you claim to be a spiritual leader yet know nothing of these things. Kind of reminds me of the spiritual leaders of Jesus time.

[Guest]

Homer,

You're holding out on us, my friend. I knew you claimed to be the forum contrarian but when did you claim to be a spiritual leader? Maybe one of those $25 sacred sweat wiping handkerchiefs of yours would come in handy right now! Ooops. Couldn't resist.

Someone masquerading as livingink...

[Guest]

jesusfollower wrote:

Jesus was a minister to the circumcision, for the fulfillment of the prophets, much of his words taught to the Jews what that fulfillment was and the heart of God was manifested in his dealings with people. The Church was hidden in God and was a surprise to Satan and also to Christ of which he is the head, the being born of incorruptible seed is a part of that. Like I said have fun living as a Jew. That age is all done with as far as I can see.
You are right in saying that many interpretations sprung form the same scripture, of course only one interpretations counts and that is the one intended, and it is certainly not the intention of God for all the differing opinions.
Romans 15:6
so that with one heart and mouth you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

now, i remember learning how to read back in kindergarten or so and i have done a fair amount since, but i honestly have no idea what you are talking about here. are you trying to counter something said by Paidion, or are you making a new point? what is your point? i am not trying to be rude, believe me. more likely than that not i am missing something obvious. but when i read your post, especially the first paragraph, for the life of me i cant tell what you are trying to say. can you clarify this somehow? and how is it related to the topic of how inspiration worked?

i appreciate your patience.

TK

[Guest]

JF,

Sorry I got you off on another rant. I wasn't very clear in my question. Let me try again.

The Church was hidden in God and was a surprise to Satan

and also to Christ

What I was trying to get you to say is where you got the idea the Church was a surprise to Jesus?

[Guest]

The Church hidden from Jesus!!! wow talk about teaching the doctrine of the devil. Second it is a flat out lie that God was a God of judgment only in the Old Testament another lie of satan. God is clearly a God of Love, mercy, rich in grace, etc. in the OT. Again jesusfollower you show your true colors, teaching what is contrary to the written word of God.

Jim

[Guest]

Homer, it was hidden in God as the scripture I cited clearly shows.
Jim, what are you talking about now, you have lost you're balance. OK.
Tk I don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.
LI, Homer said at one time I thought, that he is a retired minister of some sort. As in a paid position in some Church, I could be wrong.

[Guest]

Hello JF,

Oh. I thought Homer told me he had worked at a Fortune 500 company so I just wrongly assumed he probably was the retired chairman of IBM or something. Didn't want to pry.

I think Jim and TK may be having a bit of difficulty with the wording you used in your second sentence of your 7/31 post. Are you saying Christ is head of the church but didn't know it because it was hidden from Jesus? That is one of the ways that I read the sentence--there are a couple others--and it may be helpful if you could clarify it for those of us whom are less inspired.

respectfully,

livingink

[Guest]

yeah JF-- what livingink said. i dont get the meaning of your post or the point.. could be because i'm an ignorant doofus. who knows.

if your point is that Jesus didnt know about the church to come.. didn't jesus tell his disciples after peter's confession of faith that "upon this rock i will build my church?" if it was hidden from him, then what was he talking about-- the Little Brown Church in the Vale? (for all you andy griffith fans).

TK

[Guest]

It was hidden in God. God is the ONE TRUE GOD, therefore Jesus did not know. Peter is not the Rock the Church is built upon it is Jesus who is the Rock(check scripture instead of tradition). The Church did not start until the Day of Pentecost, Acts Chapter 2. He did not know until his exaltation to Lord, Acts Chapter 3. The Church is built on Jesus the author and finisher of our Faith. I think that is what scripture says.
And who was it that said something about doctrines of devils? Sure 'nuff you got plenty.

[Guest]

JF said:

Are your palms sweating Homer? They should be, since you claim to be a spiritual leader yet know nothing of these things. Kind of reminds me of the spiritual leaders of Jesus time.

Homer said at one time I thought, that he is a retired minister of some sort. As in a paid position in some Church, I could be wrong.

I do not claim to be a spiritual leader. I am retired. I have never been a pastor or in any paid position in the Church. I have served as an elder and taught classes. Although I believe the dividing of Christians into "clergy" and "laity" is unbiblical, I would be classed as a layman. I have no formal training at all in biblical things. I go to Church and Sunday school, read books, articles, etc., listen to the Narrow Path, go hear Steve when I have the opportunity (highly recommended), listen to others on Christian radio. That's about it.

Livingink said:

Oh. I thought Homer told me he had worked at a Fortune 500 company

True; I was in a middle management position, along with many others.

TK wrote:

if your point is that Jesus didnt know about the church to come.. didn't jesus tell his disciples after peter's confession of faith that "upon this rock i will build my church?" if it was hidden from him, then what was he talking about-- the Little Brown Church in the Vale?

JF, I can't wait to hear your answer to this! Jesus talking about His Church, the one that He didn't know about!