Does pride cause all contention like the KJV says? Pr. 13:10
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Does pride cause all contention like the KJV says? Pr. 13:10
Does pride cause all contention like the KJV says? The KJV of Proverbs 13:10 says “Only by pride cometh contention” This is different from every other english version of the Bible I can find. Even the NKJV which says “By pride comes nothing but strife” Its plan to see that the KJV says that contention can only come from pride. All other English versions of the Bible say that pride brings only contention. I hope you are following me. Which is it? Does pride only bring contention which means other things can bring contention OR does contention ONLY come from pride? Hope you can help answer my question. Thanks Sam McNear
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No one has answered this so I looked futher on my own.
Pride is a serious thing. I have seem to come to the conclusion that when there is contention, strife, quarrels, and/or conflict, PRIDE is involved and needs to be dealt with. I still question this though.
Are there other things that can bring conflicts besides pride? I haven't found anything in the bible yet and when I think I found something I find pride is the root of that thing. So in conclusion It seems to be both, 1.) Only pride brings contention and 2.) Contention comes only from pride. But I will keep looking to find an absolute answer.
If you think about my question you can see why it's so important to me. If contention only comes from pride then any time there is conflict of any kind then we have to and must seek the pride out, expose it, and deal with it, by surrendering it to Christ. This kind of humbling ourselves is so important. God brings things (trials, wildernesses, conflict) in our life to show us what we need to deal with. If we don't deal with it then we will see that problem over and over again and the problems will only seem to get worse and worse. Why because God wants us to grow. A biblical example is Moses when he was in the wilderness for forty years God said this to him in Deut 8:2 "And you shall remember that the Lord your God led you all the way these forty years in the wilderness, to humble you and test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His commandments or not." God leads us into wildernesses to expose what is in our heart.
Thanks and if you find in the Bible where there is conflict that does not come from pride please tell me.
Are there other things that can bring conflicts besides pride? I haven't found anything in the bible yet and when I think I found something I find pride is the root of that thing. So in conclusion It seems to be both, 1.) Only pride brings contention and 2.) Contention comes only from pride. But I will keep looking to find an absolute answer.
If you think about my question you can see why it's so important to me. If contention only comes from pride then any time there is conflict of any kind then we have to and must seek the pride out, expose it, and deal with it, by surrendering it to Christ. This kind of humbling ourselves is so important. God brings things (trials, wildernesses, conflict) in our life to show us what we need to deal with. If we don't deal with it then we will see that problem over and over again and the problems will only seem to get worse and worse. Why because God wants us to grow. A biblical example is Moses when he was in the wilderness for forty years God said this to him in Deut 8:2 "And you shall remember that the Lord your God led you all the way these forty years in the wilderness, to humble you and test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His commandments or not." God leads us into wildernesses to expose what is in our heart.
Thanks and if you find in the Bible where there is conflict that does not come from pride please tell me.
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To know God and to make Him known - that is the most important thing!
To know God and to make Him known - that is the most important thing!
Hi Sam,
I have noticed the difference in the translation of this verse for several years now, and have wondered about it myself. Perhaps a Hebrew scholar who reads this can answer your initial question. My suspicion is that the text in Hebrew is either fragmentary or ambiguous enough to go either way, but I really don't know.
I agree with your assessment, though, that regardless of the translation of this particular verse, hostile contention and strife always arise from pride (whether this verse is making that point or not). "Contending" for the faith may not involve pride on the part of the defender of truth, but there must be pride on the other side, if someone is contending against the truth. I can not imagine a contentious situation where pride does not exist on at least one side.
I have noticed the difference in the translation of this verse for several years now, and have wondered about it myself. Perhaps a Hebrew scholar who reads this can answer your initial question. My suspicion is that the text in Hebrew is either fragmentary or ambiguous enough to go either way, but I really don't know.
I agree with your assessment, though, that regardless of the translation of this particular verse, hostile contention and strife always arise from pride (whether this verse is making that point or not). "Contending" for the faith may not involve pride on the part of the defender of truth, but there must be pride on the other side, if someone is contending against the truth. I can not imagine a contentious situation where pride does not exist on at least one side.
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Steve,
I came to the same conclusion that pride doesn’t have to come from both parties involved but when there is contention then pride is there either coming from one party or both.
I have been applying proverbs 13:10 in my life lately. When conflict or contention pops up its ugly head, I search myself for pride. I have found even when contending the faith, God has shown me pride on my part. I have sometimes been insensitive to people I have been witnessing to. God told me I must remember what He brought me out of and to witness to them under that light and love. Witnessing as if I am better than them is a pride issue.
But I have found some situations when I could not find any pride and found pride in the other party. I have to warn you or anyone that is reading this that if you find no pride on your part, that it is easy to become proud of that fact, and in such a state come down harshly on the other party and in doing so have introduced pride to your half of the coin.
Thanks Steve if you ever have a Hebrew expert explain Proverbs 13:10 for you tell me about it.
I came to the same conclusion that pride doesn’t have to come from both parties involved but when there is contention then pride is there either coming from one party or both.
I have been applying proverbs 13:10 in my life lately. When conflict or contention pops up its ugly head, I search myself for pride. I have found even when contending the faith, God has shown me pride on my part. I have sometimes been insensitive to people I have been witnessing to. God told me I must remember what He brought me out of and to witness to them under that light and love. Witnessing as if I am better than them is a pride issue.
But I have found some situations when I could not find any pride and found pride in the other party. I have to warn you or anyone that is reading this that if you find no pride on your part, that it is easy to become proud of that fact, and in such a state come down harshly on the other party and in doing so have introduced pride to your half of the coin.
Thanks Steve if you ever have a Hebrew expert explain Proverbs 13:10 for you tell me about it.
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Thank you Sam for your comment.
I have always remembered that God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.
It is wise to search our hearts daily and walking in the balance is difficult for me sometimes.
The Lord told me to walk away from contention if the other party is not looking for peace.
I have always remembered that God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.
It is wise to search our hearts daily and walking in the balance is difficult for me sometimes.
The Lord told me to walk away from contention if the other party is not looking for peace.
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