Calvin's commentary on Eph 2:1

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Calvin's commentary on Eph 2:1

Post by alaskazimm » Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:55 pm

The Papists, who are eager to seize every opportunity of undervaluing the grace of God, say, that while we are out of Christ, we are half dead. But we are not at liberty to set aside the declarations of our Lord and of the Apostle Paul, that, while we remain in Adam, we are entirely devoid of life; and that regeneration is a new life of the soul, by which it rises from the dead. Some kind of life, I acknowledge, does remain in us, while we are still at a distance from Christ; for unbelief does not altogether destroy the outward senses, or the will, or the other faculties of the soul. But what has this to do with the kingdom of God? What has it to do with a happy life, so long as every sentiment of the mind, and every act of the will, is death? Let this, then, be held as a fixed principle, that the union of our soul with God is the true and only life; and that out of Christ we are altogether dead, because sin, the cause of death, reigns in us.

Calvin, J., & Pringle, W. (2010). Commentaries on the Epistles of Paul to the Galatians and Ephesians (pp. 219–220). Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software.
While studying Ephesians 2, I began to read the commentary by Calvin and came across this paragraph on verse 1 regarding "you who were dead". The bolded part is quite interesting to me because it seems that Calvin himself is not going so far into total inability as do modern Calvinists, who (imu) say that man is completely dead with no will at all. That is to say, Calvin seems to disagree with Calvinists! :shock:

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Re: Calvin's commentary on Eph 2:1

Post by steve7150 » Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:00 pm

and that out of Christ we are altogether dead, because sin, the cause of death,












I'm not sure what Calvin is saying because he seems to contradict himself.

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Re: Calvin's commentary on Eph 2:1

Post by alaskazimm » Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:45 pm

I think he is referring to spiritual life and death much in the same way that Christ in John 5:25 is referring to spiritual death - without life apart from Christ.

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Re: Calvin's commentary on Eph 2:1

Post by steve7150 » Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:00 am

I think he is referring to spiritual life and death much in the same way that Christ in John 5:25 is referring to spiritual death - without life apart from Christ.

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I think you are right but do Calvinists claim unbelievers have no will to follow their own desires?

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Re: Calvin's commentary on Eph 2:1

Post by CThomas » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:08 pm

I'm not sure I see the problem or any internal contradiction. Every Calvinist agrees that non-Christians can retain biological life -- that they are living organisms that breath and walk around, consume food, etc. It seems to me that that's all that Calvin is saying here.

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Re: Calvin's commentary on Eph 2:1

Post by alaskazimm » Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:49 am

As I understand Calvinism today, is that they would say there is no such thing as free will. Now admittedly Calvin doesn't use the term "free will" but it seems he is saying that people retain a measure of will to make use of in decision making. But I might be misunderstanding him.

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Re: Calvin's commentary on Eph 2:1

Post by CThomas » Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:12 am

I think Calvinists often deny libertarian free will, but of course it is obvious that people make decisions every day and nobody would deny that they exercise their wills in that sense.

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Re: Calvin's commentary on Eph 2:1

Post by steve » Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:41 am

Most modern Calvinists seem to believe in "compatibilist free will." I have heard two different definitions of compatibilism from Calvinists with whom I have talked:

1) Man has free will within the range of possibilities that are "compatible" with his total depravity. That is, he can make any choices other than choices that would be truly God-ward.

2) There is a form of "free will" that is "compatible" with the concept of meticulous providence. This has never been clearly explained to me.

I admit that I have only read a few Calvinists who have actually made an effort to define or clarify what they mean by "compatibilism," though most of them use the word to describe the kind of "free will" that they agree with, in contrast to "libertarian free will."

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Re: Calvin's commentary on Eph 2:1

Post by CThomas » Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:50 am

I wonder how much of the whole Calvinism debate hinges on the difference between those who (like me) view your proposition 2 as obviously true and those others, including many intelligent and well-informed people, who view it is obviously false.

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Re: Calvin's commentary on Eph 2:1

Post by robbyyoung » Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:11 pm

Hello All,

Please comment on John 3:3-9.

Here's my understanding: We had no involvement in our earthly birth/existence, so how is it that we can initiate our spiritual birth? Jesus himself gives us the two responsible agents that will produce this new birth, vs.5 "water and Spirit" and just as Mom and Dad made the decision to bring us into world (humanly speaking), we having no say in the matter, here we are again confronted with the same reality.

As you can see in the text, Nicodemus is at a lost and Jesus does not back down from this reality. Yes, Nicodemus you are right, just like you cannot re-enter the womb, you cannot enter the Kingdom without the new birth.

So how is this resolved? Does God give everyone this new birth, and then we get to decide whether or not to love and follow him?

For if we remain dead in our trespasses and sins, without resurrection to life, we will in fact remain dead.

Please comment, God Bless!

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