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Dispensationalism and Futurist Predictions

Post by RICHinCHRIST » Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:29 am

After recently perusing the New Testament, I have begun to notice that the apostles often quoted the Old Testament in interesting ways. Sometimes they quote literal prophetic fulfillments (like the method and location of Jesus' birth, the coming of John the Baptist in the wilderness, the specific time when the ministry of Christ would begin, the miracles of Christ, events surrounding the death of Christ (some literal, some not), or the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem). Other times they quote the Old Testament non-literally, or speak of a double fulfillment which has already taken place (Hosea 11:1-regarding Jesus' family's pilgrimage to and from Egypt, Jeremiah 31:15-the weeping of Rachel's children in reference to the slaughtering of the toddlers in Bethlehem, Zechariah 11:12-regarding Judas' betrayal, Luke 23:30/Revelation 6:16/Hosea 10:8 regarding God's judgments on two different occasions, or Romans 9:25-26 where Paul quotes Hosea in reference to the Church when it is specifically referring to the captives returning to the land)... and so on. It's clear that the apostles had the right to interpret the Old Testament however the Spirit lead them. This is most likely due to Jesus opening their understanding to comprehend these things (Luke 24:45).

So what am I getting at? Dispensationalists also believe that they can project future fulfillments upon certain texts in both the Old and New Testaments. They believe that they are accurately interpreting the Scriptures. Oftentimes, I think that they are misunderstanding the context of certain passages, as well as just projecting ideas into the text which are not originally there. However, did not the apostles do the same thing? Did not the biblically literate Jews scoff at some of the supposed fulfillments of prophecy that the apostles referred to?

I'm not necessarily defending dispensationalism here. The reason I'm not is because I see a distinct difference between the method of the apostles and the method of the dispensationalist. The apostles were applying fulfillments to prophecies which already occurred, whereas dispensationalists are projecting future fulfillments which have not yet occurred. The other consideration is that we cannot know for sure whether the dispensationalists (specifically Darby, and any other progenitors of the doctrine) have God-given apostolic authority, which we know the apostles clearly had.

I remember, while being at Steve's school, that he mentioned the following verse in regards to prophecy:


Here Jesus assures the apostles that they will be able to recognize His prophecies when they see that they have come to pass. Therefore, the reason for prophecy is not to appease our curiosity about the future, but rather to comfort us and encourage us in faith when a prophecy truly comes to pass.

The reason I bring this up is because dispensationalists have also made predictions about the future. If they come to pass, I have no problem accepting their predictions and thereby accepting their bad hermeneutic (since God can clearly use bad hermeneutics, as He has in the past). But I will not accept their prophetic predictions until they do come to pass.

Now, the whole idea of Israel coming back into the land in the last days used to be impressive to me when I was a pre-tribber, but I have since learned that it may have been a self-fulfilled prophecy (since Israel was aided by Christian Dispensational Zionist groups who funded their return to the land). But in reference to other future fulfillments, like a one-world dictator, or of the mark of the beast, or of the tribulation, or of Gog and Magog being Iran and Russia, or even of the return of Christ within the generation of those who entered the land... these are future predictions which may or may not come to pass. I personally suspect that they all won't come to pass (although some of them may end up coming to pass by coincidence). But the one that seems to need the most urgent attention is the claim that "this generation [of Jews who entered the land] will not pass away until all these things take place". I think I heard it was Hal Lindsey who predicted that Christ would come within the generation of those who entered the land in 1948, and then he extended it to include the generation of those who entered Jerusalem in 1967 (I've also heard Jon Courson and other popular Calvary Chapel pastors echo this interpretation). This gives us a prophetic timetable, according to the dispensational interpretation: If Christ does not return by the time all those people die off (I will be generous and give them 100 years after 1967; 2067 AD), I think we can be quite certain that dispensationalism is false and that those who insisted these things are false prophets. This really comes down to Matthew 24:34, because it is the last straw for dispensational futurism. If their interpretation of "this generation" falls through, will they be able to still claim a future fulfillment? I guess I'll wait until I'm 80 years old to find out! :D

To conclude, I suppose I have become more undecided on this issue. I'm open-minded to the possibility that God could have revealed the future progressively to people like Darby (could He not have done it?)... although I'm not going to anxiously look or expect him to necessarily be accurate in his predictions. If they come to pass, then I will gladly recognize dispensationalism as true. However, if they do not come to pass, I hope the Church will have the sense in the future to recognize this framework of interpretation as heresy promoted by false prophets. (This also brings into question the whole idea of false prophets... if dispensationalists make false predictions about the future, are they not false prophets? But also, do they not love Jesus? Can false prophets be saved despite their bad predictions? I assume they would since most dispensationalists sincerely believe that they interpret the passages accurately).

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Re: Dispensationalism and Futurist Predictions

Post by wwalkeriv » Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:26 pm

RICHinCHRIST wrote:This also brings into question the whole idea of false prophets... if dispensationalists make false predictions about the future, are they not false prophets? But also, do they not love Jesus? Can false prophets be saved despite their bad predictions? I assume they would since most dispensationalists sincerely believe that they interpret the passages accurately).
Your last set of questions is very interesting. I suppose if the dispensationalist making the false prophecy is inwardly a ravenous wolf (Matthew 7:15), then I think it's safe to assume that false prophet is not saved. But I think the majority of dispensationalist that come up with prophecies are probably just ignorant or perhaps they are being led by another spirit. I don't know. I'd like to think they're just ignorant and God will be just in dealing with them based on whether they are true followers. Perhaps my use of the term "ignorant" is not loving, but I've never been able to understand how an intelligent person can come to some of the ridiculous conclusions that dispensationalists come to. I can understand the flock that's raised under the teaching, but there are very smart Christians out there, such as Charles Ryrie, that should know better. I feel like, even I, could convince him otherwise. It's as if he is blinded.

Good questions. I look forward to reading the replies to this one.

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Re: Dispensationalism and Futurist Predictions

Post by steve » Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:44 pm

Hi Rich,

I think there is a difference between 1) a false prophet and 2) a false teacher.

1) A false prophet, in scripture, was probably prophesying in the name of a false god—i.e., the power of a demon (1 Kings 18:19). Thus he claimed to have supernatural revelation, and to speak oracles from this god. Alternatively, a false prophet can be merely an intentional fake, who prophesies, ostensibly, in the name of Yahweh (Jer.14:14), but knows himself to be a fake, and "steals" his oracles from others (Jer.23:30) and works for pay (Mic.3:11).

A Christian, who merely thinks he is a prophet, but is just mistaken, may mislead, but he is probably just naive, and not in the same category of the false prophets condemned in scripture. This does not make it a light matter to prophesy in the name of the Lord, and to be mistaken. At the very least, it would seem to be taking the name of the Lord in vain.

2) A false teacher, likewise, may be evil or naive, depending upon his motives. False teachers, in scripture (e.g., 2 Peter 2), are corrupt, motivated by money and lust, and teach what will benefit them to teach without regard for its truth or falsity.

A Christian teacher, by contrast, may teach what is in fact error, but will not do so deliberately. A teacher (unlike a prophet) does not profess to be speaking oracles supernaturally revealed to him. He may believe and hope that the opinions he has reached are the result of divine illumination, as well as study and meditation on scripture, but he knows his own fallibility, and does not attach a "Thus says the Lord" to his pronouncements. Thus the truth claims of a teacher are in a different category from those of a prophet.

When a dispensational teacher lays out what he believes to be a correct scenario for the future, he is not claiming to be a prophet. He is not claiming to receive divine revelations. He is seeking, like any teacher, to represent what he believes the inspired writers have left for us to decipher (Prov.25:2). If he is not correct, he is not a false prophet, but a false teacher. Neither of these is acceptable, of course, and teachers (like prophets) will receive a stricter judgment than will ordinary men. However, the motive and heart of the Christian teacher may be sincere, reverent and humble before God, even while perpetrating mistaken ideas. I believe his salvation depends upon his heart. His rewards will vary according as he has built with gold, silver and precious stones, on the one hand, or wood, hay and straw, on the other.

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Re: Dispensationalism and Futurist Predictions

Post by RICHinCHRIST » Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:23 pm

Steve, thanks for the clarifications. However, as I'm sure you know, many Christian teachers and pastors actually think that their Sunday morning sermons are prophetic in nature. I know personally, that in Calvary Chapel circles, certain people actually believe that every word the pastor says is directly from God (since they pray beforehand that it would be so). Also, Calvary Chapel has an interpretation of prophecy which claims that the teaching of the Word of God is a means of speaking prophecy. Although I think this interpretation is inaccurate, it goes without saying that the pastors in that denomination indirectly believe they are prophets. I've also thought it was bizarre that they interpret the "word of knowledge" as reading someone's mind or receiving some kind of otherwise unknowable information supernaturally.

But I often think it's weird that people often say that God "will do" certain things in the future according to their eschatological interpretation. Is this not the same as saying "Thus saith the Lord"? They may not be claiming to be divinely inspired in everything they say (since their interpretation of prophecy is a watered down version), but are they not in essence saying, "Thus God will do this"? The prophets in the Old Testament often said "Thus saith the Lord" right before they said what God was going to do in the future. Is being dogmatic in predicting eschatological events the same kind of idea? It's hard to see the difference. They may not claim to be prophets in the same sense that we understand it, but they do project certain future actions and decisions to God which may be mistaken.

I'm not insinuating that they are not true Christians; not at all. I think you're right that the false prophets condemned in Scripture either intentionally deceived or were inspired by demons. Dispensationalists are surely not in that category. However, I think their "teaching" does bleed over into prophetic predictions, whether they realize the seriousness of that or not.

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