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Caller re: Billy Graham & Destiny of the Unevangelized

Post by RickC » Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:27 pm

If I'm not mistaken, it was Wed., Oct 22nd.

The caller asked Steve about controversial comments Billy Graham has made. Specifically, wrt the destiny of the unevangelized: "those who haven't heard, nor will hear, the gospel."

This led me on a google search. I found various comments Billy Graham made but won't post them.

From what I found, it seems Billy Graham may agree with some type of "Inclusivism" {listed among 'comparatives' defined below}.

Soteriological Pluralism
The view that "All paths lead to God." Jesus Christ is "a way among the many." Held by many theologically liberal Christians and people who are, technically, agnostic.

Exclusivism or Restrictionism
Jesus Christ is the Only Way to God. Personal knowledge of his person, as well as placing personal faith in him, are required for salvation.

Inclusivism
Jesus Christ is the Only Savior. Those who have never heard his name, who have otherwise lived to the best of their ability "according to the light they had" can be saved. This grouping has two basic forms {explained in brief}:
1. 'Soft' Inclusivism
Though all need to hear the gospel of the Only Savior, God can save those who never heard based on "a good life lived." Some in this camp believe a majority of "good people" among those who do not hear, can, and will be, saved.
2. 'Hard' Inclusivism
All need to hear the gospel of the Only Savior. Though God can save those who have not heard, only a minority of humanity will be saved {based on interpretations of other biblical passages regarding salvation that emphasize the sinfulness of humanity and the belief that "few will be saved"}. Thus, though there are those among the "never heard" that God can save: With the saved being a minority: All people desperately need to hear the gospel.

Note: Inclusivists are not Universalists.

Some who identify themselves as "Inclusivists" see "God saving the Never Heard" as only a theoretical possibility. We could possibly call these "Theoretical Inclusivists."

Others are convinced that God not only can, but will, save some of the unevangelized to greater (1., above) and lesser degrees (2., above).

My guess is Billy Graham is a Hard Inclusivist.
{And might be wrong on this}....

My definitions weren't intended to be complete.
They're brief and general(ized).
There are more classifications with sub-classes on the topic; 'other' variations involved.

My position on this topic is: N/A {not applicable}...but that might be "another thread."

Thanks, :)

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Re: Caller re: Billy Graham & Destiny of the Unevangelized

Post by darinhouston » Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:52 pm

Interestingly, this topic (sans Billy Graham reference) is being discussed right now on the past two (and a couple more to come I think) podcast episodes for Theology Unplugged.

Their podcast feed is here: http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/tup/podcast/tup.xml

Direct Links to audio (parts 1 and 2) here:
http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/p ... eard-1.mp3
http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/p ... eard-2.mp3
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Re: Caller re: Billy Graham & Destiny of the Unevangelized

Post by RickC » Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:07 pm

Yes, Darin...I've heard them: C. Michael Patton and Rob Bowman.

Thanks for posting the "TUP" link! {well worth hearing, folks}!
I thought about posting it but am trying to learn how to Multi-Task at The Mo: :shock:

Btw, am currently in an adjunct ministry of C. Michael's:
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I just joined this week, though I've known Michael for some time now, and posted once. Presently I'm in the "Live Chat" and posted to see if Connection Gate {a new voice-chat} will work with my ancient puter: Prolly not. Take care, :)

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Re: Caller re: Billy Graham & Destiny of the Unevangelized

Post by featheredprop » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:15 pm

darinhouston wrote:Interestingly, this topic (sans Billy Graham reference) is being discussed right now on the past two (and a couple more to come I think) podcast episodes for Theology Unplugged.
I had caught that too Darin, but really wasn't impressed with Theology Unplugged's treatment of the subject. Perhaps I am too used to Steve's approach, but I felt that they really didn't deeply explore the various points of view held by different Christian's on this topic. I got about half way through the second broadcast and found my mind drifting so much that I just shut it down.

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Re: Caller re: Billy Graham & Destiny of the Unevangelized

Post by mattrose » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:51 pm

This is actually one of my favorite topics to discuss b/c it really brings up a lot of theological and practical issues. I guess with the definitions given I'd be a 'hard-inclusivist.' I'd emphasize that being 'unevangelized is not 'another way' to be saved. If some unevangelized people are saved it is not because they found a way other than Jesus but because Jesus, in His grace, decided to save them in their ignorance based on their response to the light they did know.

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