I have a question for the left behind folks out there. How can "the lawless one" cause an abomination in a rebuilt jerusalem temple if God Himself doesn't reconize the temple? From what I can see the NT clearly shows a new covenant and rebuilding the temple would grieve or even blaspheme the Holy Spirit. I see the rebuilding the temple at par with building the tower of babel and complete rebellion against God. Ok thats my 2 cent question.
Jim
Question on a rebuilt temple and Gods reaction.
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Jim,
Exacadakely!
Exacadakely!
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Hi Jim, I'm not a dispen but i'll take a gander. The command in Ezekial 43.11 to build the temple was conditional on the jews obedience so when Christ returns they will believe and then they can build the temple.
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Except STEVE7150, If you look at the 48th chapter of Ezek (I think it is that chapter) You will find that the priests who are told will function in the temple are the exiled priests. Some were the cause in the exile and thus will have only gate keeper duties while the faithful priests will serve over the people and some were named. So I hardly think it will be a future temple with these priests as Ezekiel was given to report on.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
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A friend of mine did a little research on attempts of people to rebuild the temple, and here's what he posted on another board:
John was told to get up and measure the temple, there are no implications of a future temple.
Let's see how the 3rd temple went:
The Time Of Hadrian
The first recorded instance of an attempt to rebuild the Temple occurred in the reign of Hadrian (A.D. 118-135)—a few years after the Second Temple was destroyed. There seemed to be an issue on taxes not being paid if the temple was finished or completed.
The Jews rebelled against the Romans in, what as known as, the Second Jewish Revolt. Rome responded with large scale mass murders of Jews in Caesarea and other communities. The murders sparked a larger
rebellion—led by a man named Bar Kochba in A.D. 132. Bar Kochba rallied the people and massacred the famous 12th legion of the Roman army.
Jerusalem was liberated for three years. Rabbi Akiva proclaimed
Bar Kochba as the Messiah—the one who was to deliver the Jewish people.
The Jews set up an independent government. Coins were struck that commemorated the “First Year of the Deliverance of Israel.” Another coin that was struck showed the facade of the Temple. Within three years of Jerusalem’s liberation, Rome marched against the rebels and killed Bar Kochba. The Sanhedrin labeled him a false Messiah, and Jerusalem was again in Roman hands.
In the fourth century, the Roman Emperor Constantine and his mother Queen Helen were converted to Christianity. In A.D. 324, Aelia Capitolina was renamed Jerusalem and the title of “Holy City” was restored to her. It was now, however, considered the Holy City of Christianity. The pagan temple of Jupiter was destroyed, and the church of Holy Zion was built upon the Temple Mount. These conditions lasted until A.D. 362 when the Roman emperor Julian the Apostate permitted the Jews to return.
When Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire at the beginning of the fourth century, maintaining Jerusalem and the Temple in ruins because an important policy of its emperors. Emperor Constantine and his successors saw the destruction of the Temple as a symbol of Judaism’s demise and growth of Christianity in its place.
In A.D. 534, over the site of Solomon’s elaborate palace, the Emperor Justinian built mighty substructures as foundations for the New Church of St. Mary. While other holy sites in Jerusalem were explored and
identified, the Temple Mount was still neglected.
The Madaba Map
A map that was constructed in the sixth century, known as the Madaba map, provided the contemporary feeling of the Christians towards Jerusalem and the Temple Mount. The city of Jerusalem is outlined in the
map, with the Temple Mount noticeably missing. It was as though the area did not exist! To the Christians living at that time, the destroyed Temple and the ruined Temple Mount, testified to the superiority of
Christianity over Judaism. Jesus’ prophecy of the destroyed Temple had been fulfilled and the site was left in ruin as a testimony to His prediction.
The Temple—The Place Of Dung
Not only was the Temple Mount deliberately left in ruin, further insult was added. In the seventh century the Temple Mount was made a dumping place for dung. Today one approaches the Temple Mount from the Dung Gate—the name derived from this time when the dung was left on the Mount. By making the Temple Mount a place for their excrement, the “Christians” were emphasizing God’s judgment upon this site.
Julian The Anti-Christian Emperor
There was only one other occasion, since the destruction of the Second Temple, that serious plans were made to rebuild. The person behind this project was the Roman Emperor, Flavius Claudius Julianus, a nephew of Constantine. The Emperor Julian, known as Julian the Apostate, determined that he would rebuild the Temple and so disprove the words of Jesus. But the attempt, like all other efforts to discredit the Word of God, resulted in a testimony of the truth of the prophetic Scriptures.
Julian planned the project in the last year of his reign in A.D. 363. Julian rescinded all the anti-Jewish laws that his uncle Constantine had instituted. He issued an edict that the Temple be rebuilt in Jerusalem. This
caused a great deal of excitement among the Jews. From far and wide, Jews came to Jerusalem to help in the rebuilding work. Julian supplied the necessary funds and appointed Alypius of Antioch, Governor of
Great Britain, to carry out the project. Jews from all over gave from their wealth upon the projected work of rebuilding the Temple. The roads to Jerusalem were filled with multitudes of Jewish men and women
who had hopes of seeing a Third Temple built.
The Mysterious Destruction
However tragedy struck. The foundations were barely uncovered when flames of fire burst forth from under the ground. The flames were accompanied by large explosions. The workmen fled and the building was stopped—never again to be restarted. A massive earthquake had struck Jerusalem. Philip C. Hammond explains what happened:
The stones were piled and ready. Costly wood had been purchased. The necessary metal was at hand. The Jews of Jerusalem were rejoicing. Tomorrow—May 20, 363 A.D.–the rebuilding of the Temple would begin! Almost 200 years after the Roman Legions under Titus had destroyed the Temple, the Emperor Julian—called by his Christian subjects “the Apostate”—had given his imperial permission to rebuild the Temple. The Jewish people eagerly responded. . . Suddenly, and without warning, at the third hour of the night (the third hour after sunset according to Roman practice) the streets of Jerusalem trembled and buckled, crushing two hundred years of hope in a pile of dust. No longer would there be any possibility of rebuilding the Temple. Gibbon, who had no love for Christianity or the Bible, explained what happened. An earthquake, a whirlwind, and a fiery eruption which overturned and scattered the new foundations of the Temple, are attested with some variations, by contemporary and respectable evidence.
A Promise To Rebuild The Temple
The control of Jerusalem switched hands when the Persians conquered the Byzantine Empire. The Jews in their fight against the Christians aided the Persians. In return for their help, the Persians promised the Jews national freedom and the permission to rebuild the Temple. But the rebuilding of the Temple would not come to pass on this occasion.
In 614 Chosroes II, king of Persia, conquered . . . Israel, Syria and portions of Asia Minor from the Byzantines. He was helped by the Jews and in appreciation made them rulers of Jerusalem. The way was now open to restore the Temple Mount and rebuild the Temple. However, after only three years the Persian-Jewish alliance was abrogated because the Persians were afraid of the large Christian population of Jerusalem. Anyway the Persians held their conquests for only a short time; in 628 the Byzantine Christians reconquered everything from the Persians, including Jerusalem.
The Dome of the rock was to take shape.
(info from netbibleinstitute, and author Don Stewart)
John was told to get up and measure the temple, there are no implications of a future temple.
Let's see how the 3rd temple went:
The Time Of Hadrian
The first recorded instance of an attempt to rebuild the Temple occurred in the reign of Hadrian (A.D. 118-135)—a few years after the Second Temple was destroyed. There seemed to be an issue on taxes not being paid if the temple was finished or completed.
The Jews rebelled against the Romans in, what as known as, the Second Jewish Revolt. Rome responded with large scale mass murders of Jews in Caesarea and other communities. The murders sparked a larger
rebellion—led by a man named Bar Kochba in A.D. 132. Bar Kochba rallied the people and massacred the famous 12th legion of the Roman army.
Jerusalem was liberated for three years. Rabbi Akiva proclaimed
Bar Kochba as the Messiah—the one who was to deliver the Jewish people.
The Jews set up an independent government. Coins were struck that commemorated the “First Year of the Deliverance of Israel.” Another coin that was struck showed the facade of the Temple. Within three years of Jerusalem’s liberation, Rome marched against the rebels and killed Bar Kochba. The Sanhedrin labeled him a false Messiah, and Jerusalem was again in Roman hands.
In the fourth century, the Roman Emperor Constantine and his mother Queen Helen were converted to Christianity. In A.D. 324, Aelia Capitolina was renamed Jerusalem and the title of “Holy City” was restored to her. It was now, however, considered the Holy City of Christianity. The pagan temple of Jupiter was destroyed, and the church of Holy Zion was built upon the Temple Mount. These conditions lasted until A.D. 362 when the Roman emperor Julian the Apostate permitted the Jews to return.
When Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire at the beginning of the fourth century, maintaining Jerusalem and the Temple in ruins because an important policy of its emperors. Emperor Constantine and his successors saw the destruction of the Temple as a symbol of Judaism’s demise and growth of Christianity in its place.
In A.D. 534, over the site of Solomon’s elaborate palace, the Emperor Justinian built mighty substructures as foundations for the New Church of St. Mary. While other holy sites in Jerusalem were explored and
identified, the Temple Mount was still neglected.
The Madaba Map
A map that was constructed in the sixth century, known as the Madaba map, provided the contemporary feeling of the Christians towards Jerusalem and the Temple Mount. The city of Jerusalem is outlined in the
map, with the Temple Mount noticeably missing. It was as though the area did not exist! To the Christians living at that time, the destroyed Temple and the ruined Temple Mount, testified to the superiority of
Christianity over Judaism. Jesus’ prophecy of the destroyed Temple had been fulfilled and the site was left in ruin as a testimony to His prediction.
The Temple—The Place Of Dung
Not only was the Temple Mount deliberately left in ruin, further insult was added. In the seventh century the Temple Mount was made a dumping place for dung. Today one approaches the Temple Mount from the Dung Gate—the name derived from this time when the dung was left on the Mount. By making the Temple Mount a place for their excrement, the “Christians” were emphasizing God’s judgment upon this site.
Julian The Anti-Christian Emperor
There was only one other occasion, since the destruction of the Second Temple, that serious plans were made to rebuild. The person behind this project was the Roman Emperor, Flavius Claudius Julianus, a nephew of Constantine. The Emperor Julian, known as Julian the Apostate, determined that he would rebuild the Temple and so disprove the words of Jesus. But the attempt, like all other efforts to discredit the Word of God, resulted in a testimony of the truth of the prophetic Scriptures.
Julian planned the project in the last year of his reign in A.D. 363. Julian rescinded all the anti-Jewish laws that his uncle Constantine had instituted. He issued an edict that the Temple be rebuilt in Jerusalem. This
caused a great deal of excitement among the Jews. From far and wide, Jews came to Jerusalem to help in the rebuilding work. Julian supplied the necessary funds and appointed Alypius of Antioch, Governor of
Great Britain, to carry out the project. Jews from all over gave from their wealth upon the projected work of rebuilding the Temple. The roads to Jerusalem were filled with multitudes of Jewish men and women
who had hopes of seeing a Third Temple built.
The Mysterious Destruction
However tragedy struck. The foundations were barely uncovered when flames of fire burst forth from under the ground. The flames were accompanied by large explosions. The workmen fled and the building was stopped—never again to be restarted. A massive earthquake had struck Jerusalem. Philip C. Hammond explains what happened:
The stones were piled and ready. Costly wood had been purchased. The necessary metal was at hand. The Jews of Jerusalem were rejoicing. Tomorrow—May 20, 363 A.D.–the rebuilding of the Temple would begin! Almost 200 years after the Roman Legions under Titus had destroyed the Temple, the Emperor Julian—called by his Christian subjects “the Apostate”—had given his imperial permission to rebuild the Temple. The Jewish people eagerly responded. . . Suddenly, and without warning, at the third hour of the night (the third hour after sunset according to Roman practice) the streets of Jerusalem trembled and buckled, crushing two hundred years of hope in a pile of dust. No longer would there be any possibility of rebuilding the Temple. Gibbon, who had no love for Christianity or the Bible, explained what happened. An earthquake, a whirlwind, and a fiery eruption which overturned and scattered the new foundations of the Temple, are attested with some variations, by contemporary and respectable evidence.
A Promise To Rebuild The Temple
The control of Jerusalem switched hands when the Persians conquered the Byzantine Empire. The Jews in their fight against the Christians aided the Persians. In return for their help, the Persians promised the Jews national freedom and the permission to rebuild the Temple. But the rebuilding of the Temple would not come to pass on this occasion.
In 614 Chosroes II, king of Persia, conquered . . . Israel, Syria and portions of Asia Minor from the Byzantines. He was helped by the Jews and in appreciation made them rulers of Jerusalem. The way was now open to restore the Temple Mount and rebuild the Temple. However, after only three years the Persian-Jewish alliance was abrogated because the Persians were afraid of the large Christian population of Jerusalem. Anyway the Persians held their conquests for only a short time; in 628 the Byzantine Christians reconquered everything from the Persians, including Jerusalem.
The Dome of the rock was to take shape.
(info from netbibleinstitute, and author Don Stewart)
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Except STEVE7150, If you look at the 48th chapter of Ezek (I think it is that chapter) You will find that the priests who are told will function in the temple are the exiled priests. Some were the cause in the exile and thus will have only gate keeper duties while the faithful priests will serve over the people and some were named. So I hardly think it will be a future temple with these priests as Ezekiel was given to report on.
Point well taken Allyn, but i think that Jesus is supposed to function as the high priest in this new Ezekial temple but i'm really like a duck out of water on this.
Point well taken Allyn, but i think that Jesus is supposed to function as the high priest in this new Ezekial temple but i'm really like a duck out of water on this.
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Hi Steve, since you admitted to being a duck out of water (most people are on this subject) then I won't ask you how you arrived at your conclusion that the Ezekiel Temple is where Christ functions as High Priest. In actuallity I believe it is more correct to say that Christ is our High Priest in the spiritual temple of which the church is the embodiment of.STEVE7150 wrote:Except STEVE7150, If you look at the 48th chapter of Ezek (I think it is that chapter) You will find that the priests who are told will function in the temple are the exiled priests. Some were the cause in the exile and thus will have only gate keeper duties while the faithful priests will serve over the people and some were named. So I hardly think it will be a future temple with these priests as Ezekiel was given to report on.
Point well taken Allyn, but i think that Jesus is supposed to function as the high priest in this new Ezekial temple but i'm really like a duck out of water on this.
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The New Jerusalem from what I see comes down out of heaven and the Throne of God and the Lamb is there. This city from what I can tell isn't built by man but by God Himself. Now God probably has a house (palace) which also isn't built by Isreal.
Jim
Jim
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