Calvinism and Universalism

[Paidion]

None of the quote passages prove that God created time.

[RND]

None of the quote passages prove that God created time.

That sounds like a statement from a man that has made up his mind against the mountains of evidence against him. Oh well. Paidon, what time is it in the spiral galaxy M64?

I guess that means we can forget your dissertation on the uniqueness of the weekly cycle? Rats!

[Paidion]

It really isn't much of a dissertation, and I am sure that you, RND, are well aware of the difference concerning the time period which is called a "week".

Most of the commonly used time periods, other than the "week" are based on astronomical phenomena (the exceptions are the hour, the minute, and the second).

1. The "year" is the period of time it takes the earth to make a complete revolution around the sun, approximately 365¼ days.

2. The "month" (originally "moonth") is the period of time it takes the moon to make a complete revolution around the earth, approximately 29½ days.

3. The "day" is the period of time it takes the earth to make a complete rotation on its axis.

It would seem that the "week" is based on the fact that God chose to take 7 days to create all things. Man has changed the number of days in a year in accordance with various calendars devised ---- similarily with the number of days in a month. But the 7-day cycle which we call the "week" probably has never changed from the week of creation until the present day. So Sabbath keepers such as RND, feel confident that they keep the Sabbath on the correct day.

I have often wondered, though about Sabbath keeping in the various time zones. Sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday, would be different in each of the time zones. Any concerns about that, RND?

[RND]

It really isn't much of a dissertation, and I am sure that you, RND, are well aware of the difference concerning the time period which is called a "week".

What I'm getting at is that since there is no astrological formula to explain the phenomena of the week can't that then be attributed to creation of it? If not, why not?

Most of the commonly used time periods, other than the "week" are based on astronomical phenomena (the exceptions are the hour, the minute, and the second).

Hours. minutes and seconds are also based on astronomical occurrences.

1. The "year" is the period of time it takes the earth to make a complete revolution around the sun, approximately 365¼ days.

2. The "month" (originally "moonth") is the period of time it takes the moon to make a complete revolution around the earth, approximately 29½ days.

3. The "day" is the period of time it takes the earth to make a complete rotation on its axis.

In my best Ed McMahon to Johnny Carson....Correct!

It would seem that the "week" is based on the fact that God chose to take 7 days to create all things. Man has changed the number of days in a year in accordance with various calendars devised ---- similarily with the number of days in a month. But the 7-day cycle which we call the "week" probably has never changed from the week of creation until the present day. So Sabbath keepers such as RND, feel confident that they keep the Sabbath on the correct day.

Indeed, it's obvious from scripture.

I have often wondered, though about Sabbath keeping in the various time zones. Sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday, would be different in each of the time zones. Any concerns about that, RND?

None. I recognize that the sun set at different times throughout the world. I have friends in New Zealand and their sabbath starts before mine and yet there is a time when we share the sabbath. Go figure. But I do recall an Adventist on another forum getting his shorts in a wad regarding the fact that some of the date lines cause some to actually observe the sabbath nearly a full day ahead of others. No biggie to God I figure, He reads the thoughts and intents of the heart.

[Paidion]

Hours. minutes and seconds are also based on astronomical occurrences

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Which ones?

[RND]

Hours. minutes and seconds are also based on astronomical occurrences

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Which ones?

All of 'em. Hours are divided into twenty four sections on the globe. The lines are called longitude and latitude. Divided by 24 hours in a day makes for exactly 15 degrees of longitude. Minutes and seconds are used for location purposes. Degrees of longitude and latitude are divided into minutes and seconds. There are 60 minutes in each degree. Each minute is divided into 60 seconds.

[Michelle]

All of 'em. Hours are divided into twenty four sections on the globe. The lines are called longitude and latitude. Divided by 24 hours in a day makes for exactly 15 degrees of longitude. Minutes and seconds are used for location purposes. Degrees of longitude and latitude are divided into minutes and seconds. There are 60 minutes in each degree. Each minute is divided into 60 seconds.

Wouldn't that be terrestrial? Just saying...

[Paidion]

None of 'em!

RND, those are man-made divisions --- not astronomical phenomena.

Hours are divided into twenty four sections on the globe.

The globe could just as well have been divided into twenty-nine sections, and had 29 hours in a day.

The lines are called longitude and latitude. If you divide the circumference of the earth (approximately 25,000 miles) by 360 degrees, the distance on the earth's surface for each one degree of latitude or longitude is just over 69 miles, or 111 km. Divided by 24 hours in a day makes for exactly 15 degrees of longitude.

So what! They could have been divided any other way, with a different size degree. And what does that have to do with the length of an hour or a minute or a second? Absolutely nothing! 60 seconds in a minute, and 60 minutes in an hour had its origin in the Babylonian sexagesimal system, based on 60, rather than our decimal number system based on 10.

There is no astronomical basis whatever for the second, minute, or hour.

Minutes and Seconds are used for precision purposes, degrees of longitude and latitude have been divided into minutes (') and seconds ("). There are 60 minutes in each degree. Each minute is divided into 60 seconds. Seconds can be further divided into tenths, hundredths, or even thousandths.

Irrelevant. Irrelevant. Irrelevant. They could have been divided any old way.

[RND]

Wouldn't that be terrestrial? Just saying...

Yes and of course, that's the point. Unless you know of another planet where this would work.

[Paidion]

It would work equally well on ANY planet! Why not?