Is our life-span fixed?

[dizerner]

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[Paidion]

"And create evil" The parallelism here shows that this is not to be understood in the sense of all evil, but of that which is the opposite of peace and prosperity. That is, God directs judgments, disappointments, trials, and calamities; he has power to suffer the mad passions of people to rage, and to afflict nations with war; he presides over adverse as well as prosperous events. The passage does not prove that God is the author of moral evil, or sin, and such a sentiment is abhorrent to the general strain of the Bible, and to all just views of the character of a holy God.

—From "Barnes Notes" re Isaiah 45:7

[robbyyoung]

"And create evil" The parallelism here shows that this is not to be understood in the sense of all evil, but of that which is the opposite of peace and prosperity. That is, God directs judgments, disappointments, trials, and calamities; he has power to suffer the mad passions of people to rage, and to afflict nations with war; he presides over adverse as well as prosperous events. The passage does not prove that God is the author of moral evil, or sin, and such a sentiment is abhorrent to the general strain of the Bible, and to all just views of the character of a holy God.

—From "Barnes Notes" re Isaiah 45:7

Paidion,

You can't equate God's "ra" with the evil of man. Man IS NOT in the position to destroy, afflict and punish without God's righteous approval. What, you don't like the word evil? Ok, then use "ra", because God definitely Killed those children in 2 Kings 2:23, did He not? This is just one of many instances of "ra" by God's own hand.

If people want to soften the sting out of "ra" go right ahead, it doesn't change the facts concerning God's righteous "ra".

God Bless.

[TheEditor]

Man IS NOT in the position to destroy, afflict and punish without God's righteous approval.

Just to be clear, you are saying that all evil done by man has "God's righteous approval"?

Regards, Brenden.

[robbyyoung]

Man IS NOT in the position to destroy, afflict and punish without God's righteous approval.

Just to be clear, you are saying that all evil done by man has "God's righteous approval"?

Regards, Brenden.

No. Man's evil or "ra" is sin, unless it is sanctioned by God The Righteous Judge.

[steve7150]

You said, "There is no Biblical indication that God actually wanted or decreed Adam to sin..." You are dead wrong! God said Yeshua was the Lamb slain BEFORE the foundation of the world. This is an insurance policy in which God already prepared for. God desired and wanted a people for HIMSELF. Apparently, this was THE ONLY way it could happen or else why in the world, before any creative work, would God only prepare The Lamb ahead of time?










It does appear to me the garden of Eden scenario went the way God intended it to go, consider

It was God who put the knowledge of good and evil in the same tree
God put the tree in the middle of the garden
God made the tree desirable
God made Eve the way she was to react to the sight of the tree the way she did which was to sin by sight
God sent or allowed Satan to deceive Eve
God decided Adam would represent all of man
God established the curses affecting all men in this "present evil age." This "present evil age" goes straight back to Eden.

I'm not a Calvinist but God runs things and to me it's clear God uses evil as a teaching tool because everything we learn we learn by contrast and to learn good we must by necessity learn evil.

[TheEditor]

So each one is drawn out and enticed by his or her own desire, to give birth to sin (James 1:14-15) ...unless they are perfect, in which case God does the enticing and drawing out?

Regards, Brenden.

[steve7150]

So each one is drawn out and enticed by his or her own desire, to give birth to sin (James 1:14-15) ...unless they are perfect, in which case God does the enticing and drawing out?








Eve was drawn out and enticed but where did her desires come from? It seems to me she was created that way and she came out of Adam.

[robbyyoung]

So each one is drawn out and enticed by his or her own desire, to give birth to sin (James 1:14-15) ...unless they are perfect, in which case God does the enticing and drawing out?

Regards, Brenden.

Brenden, help me understanding this "Free Will" concept. It seems to me that MAN didn't have free will at all if God didn't put the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the garden. What, was MAN a robot when he was created. Programmed just to know good? Was that God's desire for Man NOT to know Good and Evil? Absolutely NOT! It was His desire for MAN to know this or WE would be programmed robots no better than your desktop computer! Everybody screams FREEWILL, but when God gives it, He's accused of being unjust as HIS desire creates the conditions.

[dizerner]

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