Steve Gregg V. Tim Staples Debate

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JC: My post was mainly meant for you because you said some very ugly things about Catholics while forgetting the very ugly and current history of the Protestants. Your friends here are interesting, but wow have you listened to the tenor of the discussion?

Hello, CatholicSteve. I won't pile on... just want to briefly address the objections you've raised about my comment.

First, the context in which I delivered my comments about the embarrassing history of the RCC was this: Tim Staples' main arugment in this debate was the spotless, unbroken history of the RCC verses the scattered and random history of protestanism. Since Tim is not a stupid man, he knows the history of the RCC and therefore, made a very silly statement. I told Steve he should've taken advantage of the opportunity, which he did... later in the debate.

I find it a bit odd that my comment struck you as mean-spirited, only to read your blushingly hate-filled response. Pot... kettle... black....

The difference, it seems, between you and I is that you fragment people into categories and get rather angry when someone doesn't fit into a particular category. I don't consider myself a Roman Catholic or a Protestant because these are man-made categories. I'm sorry if that irritates you but it's not a faux label, only something that is foriegn to you. You are free to follow Rome but I'll follow Jesus (not Luther, Calvin or Steve Gregg). Didn't Jesus say in John 15 that those who obey his words are those that love him and in Matthew 7 that those who don't follow his commands are not his?

Brother, you are angry for a little thing. I know you feel as though everyone is attacking you but when I walk out into the world I meet lots of people who think you and I are silly and naive for believing in God at all! Yet, we are commanded to love even them... how much more our fellow believers? My words to Tim Staples may have seemed harsh but I have no ill feelings toward the man. I consider him a brother... and likewise to anyone else who follows Christ as best they can.

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Hello, Homer,

Interjecting, here...

What does it mean to you that the veil of the Temple was torn apart when Jesus was crucified?

I do not recall the New Testament explicitly attributing a meaning to that event. Am I neglecting something?

For my part, I like to throw in the suggestion that we have in that point of narrative the customary tearing of one's garment as an expression of grief. People could pray to God without priestly mediation, even when the veil was whole.


Shlamaa,
Emmet

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Amen, brothers.

Catholic Steve

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Amen, brothers.

Catholic Steve


But Steve since the RCC holds itself out as the only true church and it's head as the true representative of Christ on earth, a church that claims that it alone has access to the power to turn wine and bread into Christ's body, would'nt you agree that a church that believes that, makes claims like that, should hold itself to a much higher standard then other churches.
Should'nt a church that is the true church and divinely lead, be a shining example for all to follow. In fact the divine character of such a church s/b self evident.
Now whatever you may think of Protestant churches you can not in good conscience with a straight face claim the RCC has remotely met this standard that they obligate themselves to meet by their claims.

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This debate is being re-broadcasted this week. I knew it Tuesday but forgot to "bump" this thread to the top. One more session tomorrow.

I'd still vote for Steve as "most persuasive" though I understand Tim's "rationale"......Anyway, God bless............Rick

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Christ Peace to you all,

Since my last post(s) moons ago you may have wondered "where in the heck did Catholic Steve go?". Yep, there I was spitting and cursing and turning off Protestants because they said I had an "attitude" (mean, aggitated, etc) who some think I was there to "convert" them .... well, I would have answered you but somehow, somewhere I could no longer log on to the forum.

Somewhere along the way someone (Web Master?) must must have gotten all ruffled up and the "tough talk" that Paul & Barnabus dished out and took at Antioch and "banned" me from the forum. Yes sir, there it was in big block letters "YOU HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THE FORUM".

Today, I tought I would try for the heck of it and KABOOM, I'm in, but for how long? Who knows? Well, I can't answer all the responses I read now, but hopefully I will be back later. I am off to Ft. Benning for some Navy stuff but will be back in August.

In the meantime, sharpen your pencils, tune up your historical brains, get your documents in order and open your Bibles because I am sure you'll all get on heck of a post when I come back if I am not "Banned" again!!

Peace, Catholic Steve

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Steve,

I am not sure if anyone has the power to ban you at this forum, other than myself—there are other moderators. Perhaps they have that ability. I certainly would uphold their right to do so. We are all hard to offend, but sometimes there are participants whose verbal abuse crosses the line. For the record, I did not ban you.

Your posts are indeed unpleasant to read (not because of "harsh truths" but because of a harsh spirit). For this reason, I seldom read more than a paragraph or so of them. I have better uses of my time—like correspondence with calm people.

Proverbs 22:24
"Make no friendship with an angry man, And with a furious man do not go."

Proverbs 29:22
"An angry man stirs up strife, And a furious man abounds in transgression."

Sounds like bad company to me.

If anyone banned you, I was not informed of it. There was a problem for a while with everyone logging-on, due to some glitch that I never understood, but I did not hear of anyone else receiving a message saying they had been banned from the forum. However, perhaps some other moderator did so. Frankly, I wouldn't exactly blame them. You have been asked by others to calm down, and you don't seem to be able to do so. You only make your position look bad to onlookers.

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I think John and Steve alone have the rights to ban anyone. That option is not even available to Matt and I. The only thing we do is delete posts that are inappropriate for a Christian forum (porn spambots and such).

Having said that, I have to concur with Steve on this one. While I do appreciate your vast knowledge of your position CatholicSteve, the tone of your posting is a turn off, frankly, and I rarely even read what you write. I think a more humble spirit would be a little more winsome and helpful to your cause...don't you?

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CS-

by all means stick around. if you remember i'm the guy who said that my first catholic mass sort of weirded me out. but i also said i got over it.

but i still dont quite understand those jingle bells.

however, since you were here last, i actually have watched a fair amount of EWTN. nothing wrong with broadening my horizons.

TK