Upcoming Election

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Re: Upcoming Election

Post by dwight92070 » Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:16 pm

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dwight92070 wrote:Trump may be the one that God will use to turn this country around and at least closer to what the founders originally intended
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I never felt the need to point out Trump's blatant un-Christ-like-ness until I started to see Christians say things like this about him!
Dwight speaking: Proving my point - negative talk about Trump begets more negative talk about Trump. But if you agree with me and many others that Hillary is far worse, then why are you helping her get elected?

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Re: Upcoming Election

Post by mattrose » Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:22 am

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dwight92070 wrote:Trump may be the one that God will use to turn this country around and at least closer to what the founders originally intended
Dwight
I never felt the need to point out Trump's blatant un-Christ-like-ness until I started to see Christians say things like this about him!
Dwight speaking: Proving my point - negative talk about Trump begets more negative talk about Trump. But if you agree with me and many others that Hillary is far worse, then why are you helping her get elected?

Dwight
Actually, my comment makes the OPPOSITE point. Your PRAISE of Trump provoked my negative statements.

So I could turn this on its head. Perhaps the best way to ruin Trump's chances is for you to sing his praises :)

Bottom line... I have 3 daughters. Given his despicable treatment of women, I feel like I'd be spitting in their faces to vote for this man to lead the country they live in. I absolutely could not do it. Nor will I vote for Hillary. Nor do I feel compelled to vote at all (though I may vote 3rd party). The USA is not even my primary citizenship!

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Re: Upcoming Election

Post by morbo3000 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:35 am

Can you tell me specific legislation and foreign policy changes you believe will happen under a President Clinton and the impact that will have in 2018.

Please annotate with actual policy positions. Either from her speeches. Or the party platform.


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Re: Upcoming Election

Post by steve7150 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:13 am

Trump may be the one that God will use to turn this country around and at least closer to what the founders originally intended, but when even the anti-Hillary crowd is joining the pro-Hillary crowd in constantly putting Trump down, we are shooting ourselves in the foot, or to be more accurate, contributing to the demise of this country.







Trump's faults are obvious and to not talk honestly about them is not honest and counterproductive IMHO. But i'm still voting for him because he might be on the right side of the issues whereas we know Hillary won't, particularly abortion. Trump has brought up some issues no one else has like trade imbalances, the cost of Nato to us verses other countries and immigration.

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Re: Upcoming Election

Post by steve7150 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:25 am

Can you tell me specific legislation and foreign policy changes you believe will happen under a President Clinton and the impact that will have in 2018.

Please annotate with actual policy positions. Either from her speeches. Or the party platform.







Clinton said she would greatly increase Syrian refugee immigration. I'm sympathetic to helping others but as i have said many times Islam is dangerous and encourages violence against non-muslims in it's texts. Although 99.9% of muslims are peaceful , i have seen more then one survey that claims 50% of them support Sharia law. That kind of value system is unacceptable for our culture IMO and inevitably will be dangerous.
She also will appoint liberal Supreme Court judges which will increase government reach and reduce individual freedoms including religious freedoms IMHO. BTW militarily she is actually a hawk based on her history.

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Re: Upcoming Election

Post by Paidion » Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:53 am

Trump has now stated that Obama is the founder of ISIS, and that Clinton is the co-founder.

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Re: Upcoming Election

Post by dwight92070 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:56 pm

Paidon,

Obviously, he is referring to the fact that Obama pulled our troops out of Iraq prematurely. In fact, I heard him say that in an interview with Hugh Hewitt today. He said that if Obama had not done that, ISIS would not have formed, and that is probably correct. So there's no need to blow this out of proportion and take something literally that was really figurative, unless of course, you just enjoy bashing Trump.

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Re: Upcoming Election

Post by dwight92070 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:46 pm

Trump may be the one that God will use to turn this country around and at least closer to what the founders originally intended
Dwight

I never felt the need to point out Trump's blatant un-Christ-like-ness until I started to see Christians say things like this about him!

Dwight speaking: Proving my point - negative talk about Trump begets more negative talk about Trump. But if you agree with me and many others that Hillary is far worse, then why are you helping her get elected?

Dwight

Actually, my comment makes the OPPOSITE point. Your PRAISE of Trump provoked my negative statements.

So I could turn this on its head. Perhaps the best way to ruin Trump's chances is for you to sing his praises :)

Bottom line... I have 3 daughters. Given his despicable treatment of women, I feel like I'd be spitting in their faces to vote for this man to lead the country they live in. I absolutely could not do it. Nor will I vote for Hillary. Nor do I feel compelled to vote at all (though I may vote 3rd party). The USA is not even my primary citizenship!

Dwight speaking: You don't think that God can use a non-believer to accomplish His will? And if I think that God may be using Trump, you interpret that as praising him? Again, Trump, it appears is not a Christian. When you were a non-Christian, were you more pure and holy than he is or has been? I know that I wasn't. I have a mother, a sister, a wife, and a daughter and if I were to withhold my vote from Trump, I feel like I would be spitting in their faces, because to withhold a vote for Trump, IMO, is basically a vote for HIllary. And a vote for Hillary is not only detrimental to my family but also to the whole country. We should not be led by our emotions, but by the Holy Spirit and the brain that God has given us. Voting for a person is never saying we approve of a person's personal behavior 100%. If that were the case, we couldn't vote for anyone and no one could ever vote for us, if we were running for office. But I do believe we have a responsibility to vote because Jesus told us to seek first HIs kingdom and His righteousness. But what do we do if both candidates are unrighteous? As always, vote for the lesser of two evils. However, I don't believe any of the issues I listed in my earlier post, the things that Trump has promised to do, can be classified as evil. Does that make him righteous? Obviously not, but to do those things would be, IMO, greatly profitable for Americans and America.

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Re: Upcoming Election

Post by steve7150 » Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:52 am

As far as i'm concerned the following two issues outweigh everything else and make it hard to understand how a bible believer wouldn't vote for Trump despite his personality. Abortion and Supreme Court appointees alone are compelling reasons to vote for Trump. To me it's a conscience vote, as i'm hoping i don't have to look at or listen to Trump to much if he is elected.
I have heard it several times that Trump is being used by God and it actually would fit God's M/O for using someone so unattractive in the natural to do great things. But of course i really have no idea, just a thought.

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Re: Upcoming Election

Post by mattrose » Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:41 am

steve7150 wrote:As far as i'm concerned the following two issues outweigh everything else and make it hard to understand how a bible believer wouldn't vote for Trump despite his personality. Abortion and Supreme Court appointees alone are compelling reasons to vote for Trump.
My problem with this is that it doesn't seem republican presidents have actually done anything to prevent abortion and even republican appointed justices haven't always turned out to be very conservative. Trump himself doesn't have a great 'pro-life' record. I see no reason to believe him when he says he's recently changed a life-long belief that pro-choice is the way to go for the country even if pro-life was (supposedly) his personal belief.
I have heard it several times that Trump is being used by God and it actually would fit God's M/O for using someone so unattractive in the natural to do great things. But of course i really have no idea, just a thought.
The same argument could be used to vote for Hillary!

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