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Do you believe the regenerate (upon regeneration) are in the same state as Adam pre-fall ?
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Do you believe the regenerate (upon regeneration) are in the same state as Adam post-fall ?bshow1 wrote:No.darin-houston wrote:Bshow,
Do you believe the regenerate (upon regeneration) are in the same state as Adam pre-fall ?
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No.darin-houston wrote:Do you believe the regenerate (upon regeneration) are in the same state as Adam post-fall ?bshow1 wrote:No.darin-houston wrote:Bshow,
Do you believe the regenerate (upon regeneration) are in the same state as Adam pre-fall ?
Cheers,
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Can you elaborate? How is it similar (if at all) and different to both (as you indicate).bshow1 wrote:No.darin-houston wrote:Do you believe the regenerate (upon regeneration) are in the same state as Adam post-fall ?bshow1 wrote: No.
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I believe that before the fall man was made (I'm sorry but latin is the best way to SHOW this)
Before the Fall Adam was endowed with two possibilities: He had the ability to sin and the ability not to sin. After the Fall Adam had the ability to sin and the inability to not sin. The idea of the “inability to not” is a bit confusing to us because in English it’s a double negative. Augustine’s Latin formula was non posse non peccare. Stated another way, it means that after the Fall man was morally incapable of living without sin. The ability to live without sin was lost in the Fall. This moral inability is the essence of what we call original sin.
When we are born again, our bondage to sin is relieved. After we are made alive in Christ, we once again, like pre-fall Adam, have the ability to sin and the ability to not sin.
In heaven we will have the inability to sin.
Funny how I don't find anybody having a problem with our will not being "free" as per to sin in heaven. I guess we are more free now then we will be in heaven.
Before the Fall Adam was endowed with two possibilities: He had the ability to sin and the ability not to sin. After the Fall Adam had the ability to sin and the inability to not sin. The idea of the “inability to not” is a bit confusing to us because in English it’s a double negative. Augustine’s Latin formula was non posse non peccare. Stated another way, it means that after the Fall man was morally incapable of living without sin. The ability to live without sin was lost in the Fall. This moral inability is the essence of what we call original sin.
When we are born again, our bondage to sin is relieved. After we are made alive in Christ, we once again, like pre-fall Adam, have the ability to sin and the ability to not sin.
In heaven we will have the inability to sin.
Funny how I don't find anybody having a problem with our will not being "free" as per to sin in heaven. I guess we are more free now then we will be in heaven.
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