Can God have a mother?

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Of course, the advancement of "Christotokos" by Nestorius led to terrific conflict and the first great schism in the church, ultimately costing the catholic church much of Egypt, Syria, and Persia.

What? You want to call that minor dust-up a *division*? Okay, I guess I can see that point.

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Gee, If some refer to Mary as Jesus mother than could she also be referred to as Gods wife????

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Gee, If some refer to Mary as Jesus mother than could she also be referred to as Gods wife????

Well some people do refer to her as the Queen of heaven....
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Hmmmmmmm....I never heard that!

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Hmmmmmmm....I never heard that!

Yep. Google it and you find a quarter million hits. This site defends the title...or tries to.
D.

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I DID google it. You are certainly right. I was reading a page on how the catholic church defends her title as the "Queen Of the Heavens" and goes into deep talks about why etc.

They also were referring to how the first queen of heaven title, was an earlier God and in no way are they connecting her to that earlier God, though they believe Christians out side of the Catholic church try to say they are. I can't remember her name It was like Isis or something.

It is so sad to me there has to be so much quarreling( thats how I view it anyways as in this article I am reading ) over such a beautiful miracle.

To bad the attention just can't be focused on the gift of it all instead of "who's" right in their discerning.

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"Asherah" was the "Queen of Heaven" you're asking about, glow. ("She" was also worshipped in Israel and Judah by the Jews, the article has biblical references). At differing times in history Asherah was seen as the wife (or consort) of El, the High God of the Canaanite pantheon, and also of Yahweh. The passages in Jeremiah might reflect a time of devotion to Asherah alone, I don't know...(I've studied this topic for several years).

Thanks,
Rick

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Of course before the LORD came as a baby , He was with abraham and moses!
He created everything!
Mary is no longer mary any way. As she to had to be BORN again.
She has a new name now as each of us do!

We do not know our new names yet? But she might have her white stone???

When born again? All of us are NEW CREATURES. A new race of beings made after the pattern JESUS CHRIST!

Each of us are 100% new beings. We do not see our spirit. but know it is true by faith !

God of course deals in the eternal, We tend to think in the now?

I do think mary was very blessed!

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

In other wards ? Our spirit being.

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Hi You speak of new bodies etc. I think the way you are meaning it in the basic Christian standpoint as I understand and believe it ( If there is such a thing! as in basic here)

I was visiting a newer neighbor yesterday who refers to herself as a Christian and goes to a local pentocostal church. On the other hand she has told me her first master is Jesus BUT she has two others ( on this planet now, in Indian they are called saints) below him and they are basically Indian gurus. Yogananda P. ( cant spell his first name completely_ and another one. She has pictures of them up all over her house and things written in another language. She is by birth Indonesian.. I had a nice visit with her and she is very giving and thoughtful. a prayerful person. She refers to her "lord" alot when speaking.

What I am wondering about here is the new bodies comment you made directly goes into some thing she said to me earlier yesterday.

Maybe this should be on a new thread?

But she told me Jesus/ the bible talked about reincarnation all through the bible and she felt like most Christians don't understand that and are reading the bible wrong. That was once place where I gently responded to her that was not my belief that we come back in a new body as a baby and here. I explained my view she was gracious in listening to me and said, yes you are right we do not agree there and we just dropped it. She had told me earlier she believes this because she has actually met people she knows she new before in the spirit even though they are in a new body now.

Have you heard this before regarding we are reading the bible wrong and Christ ( God_ really does .basically the whole bible) refers to reincarnation in terms of coming back here as new beings as soon as we die here we are exchanged into a new body immediately and catapulted basically back to earth? thanks glow.

ps I f this is stepping over the boundaries of the orig. question asked here, please feel free to start a new thread in any responses to this.

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Maybe I better tell you what i know?
We are spirit beings first. Either dead to GOD or alive?
Being BORN AGAIN , is GOD giving us new spirits.
They have the mind of CHRIST and HIS nature!
They are babies like any new birth!
In heaven [New Jerusalem] He has our bodies and new names and crowns and gifts and more waiting on us!

we cannot sin and are kept by the HOLY GHOST perfect forever more!
We dwell in weak sin filled flesh , that dies because of sin.

He wants us walking and living in our NEW CREATURE .Then we will not allow the flesh to sin!

Sin Never touches our spirit again, But it can and does attack our flesh when we sin? Sin brings sickness and death. of course HE has provided everything for us to live over comers lives and be more than a conqueror.

Our power is though HIS mighty name!
coupled with Faith , which works though LOVE!

We all have a little white stone wioth our new name in it. Because we are 100% NEW CREATURES. But we have not yet recieved everthing.

But have received the main part? Which is our spirit!

God being the FATHER of Spirit beings!

1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

THIS FOR TOLD OF THE NEW BIRTH!
Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them a heart of flesh:

Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.

Eze 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?





Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

THIS vs . explain the vs. above it!
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.


2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him

Eph 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

2Co 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.


1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

1Jn 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.


1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

THIS IS OUR SPIRIT AND OUR FLESH!

Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this? But i wanted her to understand where my thinking comes from.
Everything I believe starts with the NEW BIRTH abnd is our beginning in CHRIST JESUS our LORD and MASTER!