Paul Washer

Post by **_TK** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:51 pm

i think he did have tears in his eyes on a couple of occasions.

i also think there is a time to be in someone's face. the teens in the audience probably never heard a sermon like this. maybe it shocked some of them into thinking more about their standing with God.

he was no more in your face than AW Tozer was (or peter, or paul).

i simply think that Paul washer was preaching a sermon that needed to be preached. it would be hard to preach this sermon without an air of urgency and fire.

TK

Post by **_Derek** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:14 pm

Steve wrote:Y'know, I have always thought of holiness teaching as being very consistent with true Calvinism, since the doctrine of perseverance (at least among the Calvinistic Puritans) seemed to imply perseverance in holy living. Some modern Calvinists may downplay or neglect this emphasis, but my favorite Calvinists have always been the Puritans. There was no greasy-grace in their theology. Easy-believism is something I have always associated with Baptists, and their like, rather than with Calvinists.

Let me clarify, lest I offend someone. I don't think that modern Calvinists teach "greasy grace", it's just that I don't hear a lot of emphasis placed on holy living. It may very well just be that most of what I read from them is about other subjects, so it just doesn't come up. The Puritans most certainly preached holiness! I'm also sure, that if I looked, I would be able to find Calvinists preaching sermons on holiness.

*opens mouth, inserts foot!!* :O

Post by **_JC** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:44 am

Tk, I understand what you're saying. In my own life, this kind of thing has always led me into feeling condemnation, rather than exhortation to holy living. I even felt condemned listening to this message and I wasn't even guilty of the things he spoke about! Some might say, "That's the spirit of the Lord convicting you, brother." Well, the devil also "convicts," which is why he's called the accuser of the bretheren. Condemnation and conviction are often difficult to discern.

I will, however, admit to having a bit of guilty pleasure during parts of this sermon... and for the very reason you mentioned. I doubt very many of those youths had ever heard holiness preached before. I agree that he should've preached holiness, but with an eye toward meekness, lest he also be tempted. It's always a temptation, when correcting others, to sound the trumpet of self-righteousness. I'm ashamed to say I've been guilty of this as well.

Post by **_TK** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:15 pm

good points, JC. i hear you.

TK

Post by **_Perry** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:17 pm

I feel I should probably clarify a bit as well. I didn't find anything particularly wrong with the content of this message... it's more the deliviery that I was put off by. Having listened to several of his messages (all pretty good contentwise), I've found that I just can't relate to his style. It sounds affected to me.

That may well be wrong judgement on my part, but there it is.

Perry