The gap in the 70 weeks is not absurd

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Thanks Sean for the Greek text; it certainly paints a different (and clearer) picture of who "he" and "him" are. I respect the NIV as an accurate translation, but it doesn't convey in Daniel 9:27 that the judgment is "upon" the temple.

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The thing is that if "annointing the Most Holy" refers to crowning Jesus as the King of the (as preterists believe) Kingdom that is now...then the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD would have to be within that last 'week' of Daniel. The reason being is that they interpret Luke 21 to be concerning Jerusalem's destruction and the Kingdom of God is said to come after all the described events.........
Luke 21....
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; 30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. 31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. 32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. 33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

Aaron,

I have been considering your question here about the 'drawing nigh' of the kingdom of God. Thanks for posting this question - some time ago

First of all, I have no eschatological ax to grind, I don't care if your premillenial, amillenial, dispensational or none of the above. I am undecided, and not sure that it matters a whole lot.

But it just struck me that many places in the gospel is the kingdom said to be near, or have come, or in your midst, or within you. John the Baptist annouced the nearness of the kingdom in his calls to repentance. (see Mt. 3:2ff). The natural interpretation of this was the soon beginning of Jesus earthly ministry (wasn't that what John the Baptist was here to do, prepare the way for the Messiah?)

Jesus also used the same language in His calls to repentance (see Mt. 4:17). His ministry of being a light to the dark region of the Galilee was a drawing nigh of the kingdom.

We also see similar language in Jesus sending out the 12 apostles to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Mt. 10:6ff). They were to heal the sick, raise the dead, etc.... This work of God (through the 12) was a nearness of God's kingdom.

Again, in Luke 11 (15ff, esp. v 20), Jesus says that if He cast's out demons by the finger of God then the kingdom of God has come upon them.

Luke 17 (v 20ff), a passage some take to speak of the 2nd coming, but also may be interpreted to be speaking of the 70AD judgment, speaks of the kingdom of God being within you (or in your midst). As in the passage you brought up in Lk 21, another judgment passage, the nearness of the kingdom can be seen in the work of God. This work may be His vindication of those who follow His Son, as well as the judgment on those who rejected Him.

What seems common in these passages is that the nearness of the kingdom does not need to be seen as in the physical, millenial, earthly reign of Christ. It is the working of God through His earthly agents in advancing His kingdom here.

BTW: I appreciate what has appeared to me to be a humble, searching attitude in your most recent postings. I am sure that is a blessing to our Master. It is an attitude He rewards (James 4:6).

Blessings,

Mike

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I don't think that the Fig Tree parable here has anything to do with Israel being re-assembled. I don't buy that dispensational teaching. After all Luke says "the fig tree and all the trees", So we're in complete agreement here.
But I do believe other scriptures point to Israel being regatherd into their own country.


Aaron, I agree with you about Israel being regathered by God but not for a milleneum kingdom just for the culmination of end time events. I was a dispensationalist but there were several things that bothered me. One of them was this, the plagues in Rev 16-17 are similar to the plagues of Exodus and those plagues lasted about 6 weeks. Dispens believe the plagues are over a 3 1/2 year period but if you read them and meditate on them i can't see how the world could last more then a few weeks.

I'm speculating that a tribulation period may be 45 days, Daniel 12.11-13
1,335 days-1,290 days . Anyway no one really knows except that Christ will return one day and it will be a blessed event.

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Hi,

Could someone please explain the relationship of the equation

70weeks = 70 years and how was the equation derived.

Thanks for the response.

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Paul, if I am understanding your question, in Daniel it is actually 70 weeks of years. A week in the normal sense is 7 days so if we multiply 7 (1 week) by 70 (70 weeks of years) we get 490 years. This is the amount of time given to Daniel in the vision to fulfill some specific things upon his people.

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Hey Allyn,

What's up. Thanks, for your response...........

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I listened to Steve Gregg's teaching on Daniel 9's 70 weeks prophecy a few months ago and he compared the 70 weeks having a gap in it to telling someone he lived 5 miles away but not revealing that there is a 25 mile gap between the 4th and 5th mile. I may have go the numbers on that wrong but that was the gist of it.

I started actually thinking about that and that is not at all a good comparison. The verse says that 70 weeks are determined upon Israel. Those are 70 weeks in which God will deal specifically with the nation of Israel. He did not say 70 consecutive weeks. He only said 70 weeks (or 490 years).

Why do they have to be consecutive?

The interesting thing about this approach is that folks that say that the weeks in Daniel don't have to be consecutive take the approch that the days in Genesis have to be. LOL Consistancy in interpretation takes a lower priority when faced with consistancy with our fallible worldviews.
D.

Okay, so what happened 3 years after the crucifixion?? 70 ad?? No, it wasn't that, so what did happen? Nothing!!
Preterism is not very consistent in it's denial of the gap of Daniel 9. If it is consistent - then please explain the 40 years between the resurrection of the Lord and the destruction of Jerusalem. I'm sure glad I went with the dispies on this one !!!

I maybe way off base, but I am wondering, even though I have no way to prove or disprove what I am about to say. Could it have taken Peter 3.5 years to finally open the Gospel to the Gentiles in Acts? Also could the abomination etc be considered the anti-christ jewish persecution of the early church and not the 70 ad fall of Jerusalem?

Jim