Amen, and welcome to the forum brother.
God bless,
Easy question for Steve...
My own feeling is that different people respond differently to different styles. Steve's style draws those who respond well to Steve's style.
I'm one of them.
What I think happens is that those of us who respond well to, I this case, Steve’s, style (speaking style, approach to scripture, and the general homey feel) tend to hang around. Those who prefer different styles, move on. What you’re left with is a concentration of folks who are, to a large degree, much alike, and so the majority of us affirm Steve, his style, and his approach.
I think that’s fine and just as it should be.
I'm currently listening to a series of lectures by Greg Boyd that another forum member recommended.
I find Greg’s speaking style singularly annoying, (he’s a screamer) and I get the feeling, listening to the lectures, that he’s part of a glitzy mega-church. I don’t respond well to the glitzy, mega-church that style. Others do, and they feel drawn to his fellowship and hang around affirming what he does.
And that’s just fine too.
Having said that, however, I should point out that the CONTENT of Greg Boyd’s message is, in my opinion, excellent and often convicting… it’s just not delivered in a style to which I immediately respond. Receiving instruction from him just doesn’t come as easy for me as it does from Steve. I have to work at it a bit. Sometimes you gotta eat your greens, just ‘cause they’re good for you, even if you don’t care for them.
And that, too, is just fine.
So which style is better? I think that’s a dumb question. The body of Christ is made up of many members, and we’re not all alike. It takes both styles (and other styles besides) to edify the whole body.
I like Steve’s approach and his style. I respond well to it, and I’m edified by it. I affirm Steve in what he does. But I’m glad there are Greg Boyds out there edifying other parts of the Body too. I affirm him (and by extension, many others whose style I don’t cotton to quite so easily) as well.
Perry
I'm one of them.
What I think happens is that those of us who respond well to, I this case, Steve’s, style (speaking style, approach to scripture, and the general homey feel) tend to hang around. Those who prefer different styles, move on. What you’re left with is a concentration of folks who are, to a large degree, much alike, and so the majority of us affirm Steve, his style, and his approach.
I think that’s fine and just as it should be.
I'm currently listening to a series of lectures by Greg Boyd that another forum member recommended.
I find Greg’s speaking style singularly annoying, (he’s a screamer) and I get the feeling, listening to the lectures, that he’s part of a glitzy mega-church. I don’t respond well to the glitzy, mega-church that style. Others do, and they feel drawn to his fellowship and hang around affirming what he does.
And that’s just fine too.
Having said that, however, I should point out that the CONTENT of Greg Boyd’s message is, in my opinion, excellent and often convicting… it’s just not delivered in a style to which I immediately respond. Receiving instruction from him just doesn’t come as easy for me as it does from Steve. I have to work at it a bit. Sometimes you gotta eat your greens, just ‘cause they’re good for you, even if you don’t care for them.
And that, too, is just fine.
So which style is better? I think that’s a dumb question. The body of Christ is made up of many members, and we’re not all alike. It takes both styles (and other styles besides) to edify the whole body.
I like Steve’s approach and his style. I respond well to it, and I’m edified by it. I affirm Steve in what he does. But I’m glad there are Greg Boyds out there edifying other parts of the Body too. I affirm him (and by extension, many others whose style I don’t cotton to quite so easily) as well.
Perry
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I sampled a few seconds of Larry Norman's song "Looking for the Footprints" as I no longer have the "album" (a black thing that looked like a giant CD). Yeah, it's George Harrison-ish....
What I like about the current theme tune is: It's sort of quiet (so now, you have to start listening!)
The shrinks call that Behavior Modification, lol
Perry,
I like Greg Boyd's sermon content as long as he doesn't delve too far into politics...well, as long as he doesn't talk about politics. He's good on "Let's get real, folks!" and stuff like that. Boyd is a Bible preacher and truly hilarious at times (without being disrespectful, a gift of humor?).
Steve always calls himself a Bible teacher, which he is. I tell friends, "He's a really intellectual fundamentalist" (not meant as an oxymoron, lol) and that they should listen to his lectures, at least to get exposed to the different views that are out there, some of them being More-Out-There than others (Do any of y'all watch Hal Lindsay's tv program?...hehe). But in all fairness to Hal, he has great news coverage of the Middle East! I always trip out on him though, coz he looks almost exactly like Stalin, lol "Mom, are you sure this guy's not a communist?" I joke to her (she knows I'm not "pre-trib")....hahaha "Oh yeah, he's from Florida, not Gog er MaGog er whatever".....
Lastly on music & volume, etc. James White's radio show "blares out" rock & roll. I'm basically a rocker but don't like being blared at. Hank Hanegraaff (spelling?) always has his own voice a lot louder than who he's talking to. This has forced me to turn him off in the literal sense a few times (as I have recurring tinnitus from when I used to be in a band and can only tolerate so many decibels, often having to leave church services till the WAY TOO LOUD music part is over: a perfect excuse to be late to church! But should we be damaging peoples' ears in church, folks? Nm, pet peeve of mine, irks me to no end)......
Harrison was my fave Beatle, Hindu though he was, and the Larry Norman tune rocks. But I vote to keep the current TNP tune...at least I don't have to wear earplugs!
Hi Derek, and Steve, if you're in town...(we know you keep busy).....
Welcome JamesJoseph,
(I'm the resident quasi-fundy-semi-liberal insomniac)...who needs a nap.
What I like about the current theme tune is: It's sort of quiet (so now, you have to start listening!)
The shrinks call that Behavior Modification, lolPerry,
I like Greg Boyd's sermon content as long as he doesn't delve too far into politics...well, as long as he doesn't talk about politics. He's good on "Let's get real, folks!" and stuff like that. Boyd is a Bible preacher and truly hilarious at times (without being disrespectful, a gift of humor?).
Steve always calls himself a Bible teacher, which he is. I tell friends, "He's a really intellectual fundamentalist" (not meant as an oxymoron, lol) and that they should listen to his lectures, at least to get exposed to the different views that are out there, some of them being More-Out-There than others (Do any of y'all watch Hal Lindsay's tv program?...hehe). But in all fairness to Hal, he has great news coverage of the Middle East! I always trip out on him though, coz he looks almost exactly like Stalin, lol "Mom, are you sure this guy's not a communist?" I joke to her (she knows I'm not "pre-trib")....hahaha "Oh yeah, he's from Florida, not Gog er MaGog er whatever".....
Lastly on music & volume, etc. James White's radio show "blares out" rock & roll. I'm basically a rocker but don't like being blared at. Hank Hanegraaff (spelling?) always has his own voice a lot louder than who he's talking to. This has forced me to turn him off in the literal sense a few times (as I have recurring tinnitus from when I used to be in a band and can only tolerate so many decibels, often having to leave church services till the WAY TOO LOUD music part is over: a perfect excuse to be late to church! But should we be damaging peoples' ears in church, folks? Nm, pet peeve of mine, irks me to no end)......
Harrison was my fave Beatle, Hindu though he was, and the Larry Norman tune rocks. But I vote to keep the current TNP tune...at least I don't have to wear earplugs!
Hi Derek, and Steve, if you're in town...(we know you keep busy).....
Welcome JamesJoseph,
(I'm the resident quasi-fundy-semi-liberal insomniac)...who needs a nap.
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Rick, when I read this:
Some people really have trouble ignoring this constant high multi-pitched noise in the ear, but thankfully I am able to. But some noise, like even opening a can of soda, sends a reaction in my ears.
I said to myself, this guy knows exactly what I am experiencing. My tinitus is constant and I ignore it mostly except when someone brings up the subject or if there is a change in volume of it. When in church, the stage music, commonly called worship music, is so loud that I cannot recupe in order to hear the sermon message.(as I have recurring tinnitus from when I used to be in a band and can only tolerate so many decibels, often having to leave church services till the WAY TOO LOUD music part is over: a perfect excuse to be late to church! But should we be damaging peoples' ears in church, folks? Nm, pet peeve of mine, irks me to no end)......
Some people really have trouble ignoring this constant high multi-pitched noise in the ear, but thankfully I am able to. But some noise, like even opening a can of soda, sends a reaction in my ears.
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Hi Allyn,
I had it really bad initially, constant for a month. It was like Keith Emerson's synthesizer (of Emerson, Lake, and Palmer fame). No, it was more like about 25 Keiths playing wobbly high notes!
You probably know your condition is Chronic Tinnitus, for which there is no cure. I have Recurrent Tinnitus which happens when I hear something loud and may not last very long. I keep ear plugs with me at all times. Earlier this week I put them in at a bookstore where the cashier lady, who about 60, was talking loudly. It hurt my ears!
I've been visiting my neighbor's church. He's younger than I, 34, plays guitar and sings in worship there, and doesn't have tinnitus. I mentioned to him that I have it and that the music is too loud (they use backing tracks also and it was almost as loud as a concert)! He said there have been complaints about the noise level and that the pastor knows about it. My neighbor doubts they will adjust it. He said the people in charge of music make the decisions and that they like to "jam tunes" or something like that.
He also said they did decibel level tests and that it wasn't too loud (probably meaning going by OSHA standards). While it may be true that OSHA might say it is okay to endure so many decibels for about 20 minutes...if people's ears are hurting...I don't follow.
The last time I had to walk out during the music I saw the sound people with their headphones on. They were really enjoying the music which is fine. However, if they keep it up they may get tinnitus too! (not everyone gets it even if they are around very loud stuff). Hearing loss is a given if one is exposed to loudness....
Before I left the service (sanctuary) I did a test, singing about as loud as I possibly could. I could not hear anyone in the congregation singing, but just the "band" and could barely even hear myself! (I don't have significant hearing loss). What's the point in congregational singing if you can't hear it? I don't follow....
The next time I see my doctor I'm going to ask if I might be technically (medically and legally) disabled. The status quo in Ohio is: "We do factory work. Part of working in a factory is your ears might ring for the rest of your life. So stop moaning and "Be a man and take it!"
I don't know if the doctors here accept tinnitus as a "given." You wouldn't think so.
Thanks for letting me vent,
Rick
Yes, Allyn, I know what tinnitus is like. God bless you, bro.You wrote:I said to myself, this guy knows exactly what I am experiencing. My tinitus is constant and I ignore it mostly except when someone brings up the subject or if there is a change in volume of it. When in church, the stage music, commonly called worship music, is so loud that I cannot recupe in order to hear the sermon message.
I had it really bad initially, constant for a month. It was like Keith Emerson's synthesizer (of Emerson, Lake, and Palmer fame). No, it was more like about 25 Keiths playing wobbly high notes!
You probably know your condition is Chronic Tinnitus, for which there is no cure. I have Recurrent Tinnitus which happens when I hear something loud and may not last very long. I keep ear plugs with me at all times. Earlier this week I put them in at a bookstore where the cashier lady, who about 60, was talking loudly. It hurt my ears!
I've been visiting my neighbor's church. He's younger than I, 34, plays guitar and sings in worship there, and doesn't have tinnitus. I mentioned to him that I have it and that the music is too loud (they use backing tracks also and it was almost as loud as a concert)! He said there have been complaints about the noise level and that the pastor knows about it. My neighbor doubts they will adjust it. He said the people in charge of music make the decisions and that they like to "jam tunes" or something like that.
He also said they did decibel level tests and that it wasn't too loud (probably meaning going by OSHA standards). While it may be true that OSHA might say it is okay to endure so many decibels for about 20 minutes...if people's ears are hurting...I don't follow.
The last time I had to walk out during the music I saw the sound people with their headphones on. They were really enjoying the music which is fine. However, if they keep it up they may get tinnitus too! (not everyone gets it even if they are around very loud stuff). Hearing loss is a given if one is exposed to loudness....
Before I left the service (sanctuary) I did a test, singing about as loud as I possibly could. I could not hear anyone in the congregation singing, but just the "band" and could barely even hear myself! (I don't have significant hearing loss). What's the point in congregational singing if you can't hear it? I don't follow....
I know what you mean. Lots of people have Chronic Tinnitus in Ohio as it is industrial. I've been accused of "whining" when I complain about noise levels and/or tinnitus-- even by Christians! As if, is hearing damage acceptable now? (I don't follow)... I've refused to work in very loud conditions. In fact, I'm currently unemployed due to it as the jobs I have been offered are in extremely loud conditions. For my health I had to decline.you also wrote:Some people really have trouble ignoring this constant high multi-pitched noise in the ear, but thankfully I am able to. But some noise, like even opening a can of soda, sends a reaction in my ears.
The next time I see my doctor I'm going to ask if I might be technically (medically and legally) disabled. The status quo in Ohio is: "We do factory work. Part of working in a factory is your ears might ring for the rest of your life. So stop moaning and "Be a man and take it!"
I don't know if the doctors here accept tinnitus as a "given." You wouldn't think so.
Thanks for letting me vent,
Rick
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If anyone is interested in learning how to play the theme song from the narrow path show(the guitar, not the whistling), I can teach it to you. Just send me a message.
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For our God is a consuming fire.
Hebrews 12:29
Hebrews 12:29
I'm a mediocre guitar player at my best. Still, I'd be curious. I can't quite pick it out. I can find the individual notes, but I can't figure out how he's keeping the individual strings ringing the way he does. Some sort of alternate tuning?
If you've got tab, why not just post it here?
Perry
If you've got tab, why not just post it here?
Perry
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E-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Perry wrote:I'm a mediocre guitar player at my best. Still, I'd be curious. I can't quite pick it out. I can find the individual notes, but I can't figure out how he's keeping the individual strings ringing the way he does. Some sort of alternate tuning?
If you've got tab, why not just post it here?
Perry
B-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
G-------------0-------------------0--------------------------0---------------------------
D--------9------------------7------------------------12-----------------------------------
A---7-----------------5----------------------10-------------------------------------------
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(Play twice) (Play twice) (Play 4 times)
The above is the first part. If you want to learn the rest, Ill tab it for you here.
Remember to let everything ring out for as long as possible. Enjoy.
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For our God is a consuming fire.
Hebrews 12:29
Hebrews 12:29