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by __id_2282 » Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:12 am
Dear foc.
like you I too have been studying this topic for years and I find it quite odd depending from which view point or starting point we view from, we can come to completely different conclusions.
First, if we go to the rule of first metion, Genesis. Jesus, says, Matthew 19:4 about Adam and Eve becoming one flesh. Also.
Lot's daughters, were married, yet were engaged. Genesis 19:8 behold now I have two daughters who have not known a man, please let me bring them out to you and do to them as you see fit, only do not do a thing to these men because on account of this they came under my roof.
vs. 14 and lot went out to speak to his sons in laws those who taking his daughters.
They are virgins in verse 8, yet are considered married. The men were called sons in laws.
Were married yet had not come together with their husbands, became one flesh.
also in the matthew 1:18-19 account.
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was this way-for his mother mary had been betrothed to Joseph- before they came together (became one flesh)
she was discovered to be pregnant in womb by the Holy Spirit, 19. but her HUSBAND Joseph being just and not willing to make her a public example he purposed to put her away secretly.
Notice: Joseph the betrothed before they came together was called her husband.
If you read in Deut 22,
he will come to her and discover that she is not a virgin and will bring charges against her.
Deut 22:23-24
if there is a girl that IS A VIRGIN, betrothed to a man,(engaged),
and a man finds her in a city and Lies with her, (fornicate),
24, then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city and you shall stone them with stones so that they die, the girl because she did not cry out being in the city and the man because he has humbled his neighbors WIFE, and you shall put the evil among you.
She is engaged, is a virgin, and Is considered married...
Now according to Jewish custom, during this engagment period, was the time when the groom paid the bride price, would make a toast to his bride and say I go and prepare a place for you, and I will come back for you.
Drinking a glass of wine.
Next he would go and build a house and a wedding chamber for them to spend the wedding week. And this was hard to plan for because of all the guests during the week long celebration.
The groom after a period of preparing usually up to a year, would be then told by his father that the bridal chamber was made ready and the groom would come with his friends and steal his bride away like a thief in the night. she was supposed to have a lamp ready and oil.
and her trousseau also.
Now if during this engagment time she was found to be pregnant, she must be guilty of FORNICATION, he could get a divorce. They were still married because they had already made a covenant together and he paid the bride price for her, yet they had not consummated the marriage, (become one flesh).
Jesus did say in Matthew 19 that this would be hard to accept.
especially for us gentiles who do not understand the customs of his day.
We dont think of the engagment period in our culture as marriage but they were a very lawful people who considered them married and only during this period divorce was applicable.
Why? they had not become one flesh yet.
Jesus in Matthew 19 said fornication and the word adultery.
fornication (porneia) adultery (moicheia)
two different words two different meanings.
Im winging this response and will do some more research to try to prove my source material, so you can look it up for yourself, for your research.
But one thing I have definately observed in my study's.
Bible commentary's and church doctrine has been rewritten to fit the culture.
I belong to the AOG. all their big changes started 1973 if memory serves me well, and this year in 2007 at the general council another big change..
why the change? Culture and the big desire to have mercy on those who have found themselves in a bad situation.
And they wonder why we dont see revival.
2chron 7:14 humble, pray, seek, turn from wickedness. then HE will hear.
instead of appeasing and pleasing, we need to try the repenting.
Could someone please tell me?
in John chapter 8 Jesus tells the pharisees, you will die in your sins.
If you cross reference this he is quoting Ezekiel 3-
if you turn from wickedness you will save yourself.
And in every case, when I preach or anybody else preaches, I can tell them if they turn from wickedness they can find forgivness.
Hatred, malice, strife, fornication, adultery, murder, envy, contentions, the list go's on.
Repent from wickedness, to repent means turn away from. Right?
Right!
and I say to you whoever shall put away his wife, if not for fornication and shall marry another that one commits adultery and the one who marries her who was put away commits adultery. Matthew 19:9
Matthew 5:32 but I say to you whoever puts away his wife apart from a matter of fornication(engagment period) makes her commit adultery, and who ever shall marry the one put away commits adultery.
COMMITS ADULTERY is not a noun, but a verb.. which is stating that they are living and continuing to live in an adulterous relationship. not a one time act.
NOW THE BIG QUESTION???
What is the fruit of repentance in a situation where a woman or man fool around leave their spouse and marry another, then come back to church and say, well im married now so Im ok with God, you cant discipline me, and churches will even make the man a deacon,,, my church..!
Is there any AG leadership out there who are reading this?
Id love to find out what we do as a church now?
Culture is going to kill us all until we get back to christianity, as Christ intended.
Church vexes me anymore, what I see happening to the sanctity of the covenant of marriage.
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