Mr. Gregg: You probably already knew this, but the word “freewill” occurs 17 times in the KJV. How would the Calvinists interpret that term from their perspective? Anyone is welcome to participate.
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The term "freewill" in the Bible
The term "freewill" in the Bible
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Yes, "freewill" occurs 17 times, all in the Old Testament, and all with respect to "freewill offerings." Hardly a case against Calvinism.
As a former Calvinist, I suppose I would have said this term is descriptive of the voluntary nature of these offerings, rather than the requirement of them from the religious leaders or by the regulations of the God of Israel or by the Israelite religion.
I would further have said that what man considers to be voluntary actions are actually "ordained by God."
As a former Calvinist, I suppose I would have said this term is descriptive of the voluntary nature of these offerings, rather than the requirement of them from the religious leaders or by the regulations of the God of Israel or by the Israelite religion.
I would further have said that what man considers to be voluntary actions are actually "ordained by God."
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Paidion
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"Not one soul will ever be redeemed from hell but by being saved from his sins, from the evil in him." --- George MacDonald
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"Not one soul will ever be redeemed from hell but by being saved from his sins, from the evil in him." --- George MacDonald
Hmmm. I guess you're right. Hardly a case. But do Calvinists say they make voluntary offerings? I thought God forces them, you know, the offerings don't "flow from within."
It gets pretty sticky.
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It gets pretty sticky.
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Oh!! I just found one that doesn't pertain to offerings.
"I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded <b><i>of their own freewill</i></b> to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee." - Ezra 7:13.
I'm too lazy to look up the word in the lexicon.
How would my Calvinist friends interpret that verse? Like Paidion described?
"I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded <b><i>of their own freewill</i></b> to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee." - Ezra 7:13.
I'm too lazy to look up the word in the lexicon.
How would my Calvinist friends interpret that verse? Like Paidion described?
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Agape,
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"And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves...And they did all eat, and were filled" (Mark 6:41-42)
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"And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves...And they did all eat, and were filled" (Mark 6:41-42)
I am no longer a Calvinist, but that's an easy one for a Calvinist to answer. He is quite likely to answer as follows:
We use the word "freewill" in connection with any action in which there is no apparent constraint.
In this case, the call was for anyone to go to Jerusalem "of their own freewill." That is, no authority was commanding them to go to Jesusalem.
However, though "freewill" is used in common speech, it is illusion. We are not aware of any force that caused them to make this so-called "choice".
But in reality, God is the author of every event on the earth, both good and evil, whether we are aware of it or not.
We use the word "freewill" in connection with any action in which there is no apparent constraint.
In this case, the call was for anyone to go to Jerusalem "of their own freewill." That is, no authority was commanding them to go to Jesusalem.
However, though "freewill" is used in common speech, it is illusion. We are not aware of any force that caused them to make this so-called "choice".
But in reality, God is the author of every event on the earth, both good and evil, whether we are aware of it or not.
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Reason:
Reason:
Paidion
Avatar --- Age 45
"Not one soul will ever be redeemed from hell but by being saved from his sins, from the evil in him." --- George MacDonald
Avatar --- Age 45
"Not one soul will ever be redeemed from hell but by being saved from his sins, from the evil in him." --- George MacDonald