Eternal Security
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Eternal Security
What is your belief on Eternal Security?
Do you believe that you have to endure to the end? Although I believe this is scriptural, what I don't believe is that a Christian will fail to fulfill this command.
I listened to your debate with Tommy and observed that you don't hold to the Calvinist ideas; One of those ideas being eternal security. But it seems that your convinced you are saved from God's eternal wrath. lol. Is that true?
What confidence do you have that you will be saved?
Do you believe that God lives in you and you have been sealed with the promise Holy Spirit?
Do you believe that you have to endure to the end? Although I believe this is scriptural, what I don't believe is that a Christian will fail to fulfill this command.
I listened to your debate with Tommy and observed that you don't hold to the Calvinist ideas; One of those ideas being eternal security. But it seems that your convinced you are saved from God's eternal wrath. lol. Is that true?
What confidence do you have that you will be saved?
Do you believe that God lives in you and you have been sealed with the promise Holy Spirit?
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I am saved in Christ. He is my confidence. I am in Christ and abide in Him by faith. Thus I am secure, conditioned on my faith.
I don't quite understand the "lol" in this context (I'm an older guy; bear with me). Yes, it is true.But it seems that your convinced you are saved from God's eternal wrath. lol. Is that true?
Every confidence. However, it is not strictly a "will be." It is now also.What confidence do you have that you will be saved?
Yes.Do you believe that God lives in you and you have been sealed with the promise Holy Spirit?
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Re: Eternal Security
So to me there does not seem to be a disagreement...
lol meaning "Eternal" Wrath .
What is your disagreement with the P in tulip?
Or eternal security?
lol meaning "Eternal" Wrath .
What is your disagreement with the P in tulip?
Or eternal security?
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Re: Eternal Security
john316yes,
Please do me a favor. If you have time, let me know if you might read and/or respond to anyone other than Steve. It's fine, of course, either way ('tis the nature of forums), but it would be nice to know for the sake of time. I'll take the lack of a response as a "no" on both (reading and responding) unless you do respond to someone else.
Thank you!
Please do me a favor. If you have time, let me know if you might read and/or respond to anyone other than Steve. It's fine, of course, either way ('tis the nature of forums), but it would be nice to know for the sake of time. I'll take the lack of a response as a "no" on both (reading and responding) unless you do respond to someone else.
Thank you!
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... that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. John 5:23
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Re: Eternal Security
Yeah, sure I'll respond to your comments. I was just interested in Steve's comments cuz of the Radio Show. I just wanted to make sure Steve was not saying things that went against the Bible.
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Re: Eternal Security
Oh, good! Thank you.john316yes wrote:
Yeah, sure I'll respond to your comments. I was just interested in Steve's comments cuz of the Radio Show. ....
... that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. John 5:23
Re: Eternal Security
Primarily that it affirms that those who are really saved will inevitably persevere. I do not think the scriptures will support the inevitability of perseverance in every case. In particular, the "P" in TULIP suggests that anyone who does not persevere was never truly saved. This cannot be supported by scripture, nor by experience. There have been many who have "believ[ed] for a while" (Luke 8:13) but later fell away. To say they never were really saved is like saying that a person who goes AWOL in the thick of battle was never really in the army. It does not follow. Nor is it scriptural.What is your disagreement with the P in tulip?
If we are to argue that people who served God zealously and sincerely for decades before falling away were never really saved, despite bearing every evidence of salvation, then we would have to assume that there is no way for someone to know for sure that they are saved—except to persevere until death. This, of course, means that there can be no assurance of salvation until we breath our last breath. I don't believe this. I believe that we are saved (now and eternally) by faith in Christ. Those who have this faith in Christ now are saved. Those who depart from the faith in the future will no longer be saved, since a person, obviously, cannot be saved by his faith, if he has no faith.
Re: Eternal Security
Well said. The ex post facto nature of Perseverance of the Saints makes it impossible to have assurance.
Doug
Doug
Re: Eternal Security
Steve,
Lol in any context means: laughing out loud.
Lol in any context means: laughing out loud.
Also unto thee, O Lord, belongeth mercy: for thou renderest to every man according to his work.
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Thanks, Jeremiah. I have been told that before, but I could not see its relevance to the comment in which it appeared above. John316yes has since clarified what he meant.