Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:50 pm
Paidion...I agree with you that evolution is an absolutely rediculous theory but I fail to see why the "Gap " theory is judged by you to be ludicrous. Give me your reasons for saying this please.
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Hey Allyn,Allyn wrote:Sabbath is also shown to be a time of rest for the believer. A lasting time. I know that Hebrews addresses it in those kind of terms. So most likely this is what is behind the whole meaning of Sabbath where ever it is used throughout the Bible IMO. It was termed as entering into His rest.
Perhaps I am missing something obvious, but I am not seeing the problem, could you please explain a little more? If then timeline was morning, and then 12 hours later evening, and then 12 hours later still morning again, then there was a 24 hour period. This is one day ; a period from morning to morning. Thus, a literal 24 hour period, a literal morning, and a literal evening exist without contradiction.Steve7150 wrote: Yes the starting and stopping points may be arbitrary but it still added up to 24 hours and if you believe in a literal 24 hours per creation day then to be consistent you should take the evening and morning 12 hour description literally and therein lies a problem since God inspired Moses to write in this way. Interestingly this description is not used on the 7th day when God rested and did'nt create implying that this is a poetic description of a creation process IMHO.
Thanks for your reply, I guess I have been thinking that when God says 'Let there be X and there was X' that this is indicating a Ex Nihilo creative act. I do know that the word 'bara' is used in this verse, and that some would assert that this means "out of nothing". For example, on another thread Steve7150 noted "Gleason Archer says 'bara' means to create out of nothing which is different then 'asah' which is to bring forth." I have not learned Hebrew, but still I would like to know how Mr. Archer reached this conclusion (If anyone knows please comment).Derek wrote: In neither case do we have to say that it, (His glory), didn't exist before right?
The Hebrew words are something very much like the following:Steve7150 wrote:This expression would literally be 12 hours since nothing else is said and it is used to desribe the first 6 days.
I think your position is that the absence of the evening/morning phrase on day seven is a strong indication that the seventh day continues to the present, and so the days are not 24 hours. However, if one accepts the view that the word day does indeed mean the interval from 'evening to morning' (12 hour or otherwise) then this would present a problem. The reason is that logical consistency would seem to require the conclusion that the absence of 'evening' is strong evidence that the seventh day hasn't yet begun! However, we know that the seventh day did actually begin, for God rested on it in the past. Thus, since the absence of the word evening does not indicate the seventh day did not begin, it cannot be said the absence of the word morning indicates the day did not end.Steve7150 wrote:Interestingly this description is not used on the 7th day when God rested and did'nt create implying that this is a poetic description of a creation process IMHO.
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Hi Derek, Well then if we must take everything God says literally than i guess the Israelites were in the wilderness only 8 days and not 40 years since God set up the Feast of Tabernacles as an 8 day celebration to SYMBOLIZE the 40 years in the wilderness.
science and nature (which God gave us) tell us by sophisticated measuring techniques that the universe is 14 billion years old and started with a big bang we have 2 choices.