Could Luke 20:38 support Universalism?

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Re: Could Luke 20:38 support Universalism?

Post by Paidion » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:50 pm

Also, if Paul knew that we have a heavenly habitation in store for the day when this current building is destroyed and is also desirous of being further clothed than he currently is, doesn’t that indicate that our current groaning is for an improved body, not just an expression of desire to not be gone for good?
YES! That's exactly what it it. Groaning for the resurrection body, rather than being gone for good.
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Re: Could Luke 20:38 support Universalism?

Post by Paidion » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:06 pm

How long have you held this belief about the soul/being and what study or studies brought you to this conclusion?
I'm not sure how long. But I would say at least since 1975. The "studies" have consisted mainly that of the Bible plus reasoning. Also, my studies of philosophy at the University of Manitoba were probably also a factor. None of the church groups of which I was ever a part, held to this view.

However, one of my close friends belongs to a group that holds this view.

One day I went to two funerals on the same day. In the morning, I attended the funeral of this friend's father. When the speaker uttered the sentence, "Mr. H will live again!" a thrill went through my whole body. It was SUCH good news and invoked such wonderful hope.

In the afternoon, I attended another funeral in a CR church. The speaker said, "Mrs. K didn't die. She just walked through a door." That statement sounded like a fairy tale to me.
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Re: Could Luke 20:38 support Universalism?

Post by Seballius » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:12 pm

Hello Paidion,

I appreciate your responses.

Are you saying that the philosophy degree helped you think more clearly?


What is a “CR” church? Does that mean Christian Reformed?

If you do not mind me asking, what is the group that your friend belonged to?

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Re: Could Luke 20:38 support Universalism?

Post by Paidion » Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:35 pm

Are you saying that the philosophy degree helped you think more clearly?
No. But in order to do philosophy, one must learn to think more deeply than he has previously.
What is a “CR” church? Does that mean Christian Reformed?
I didn't wish to reveal the denomination. But since you asked—yes
If you do not mind me asking, what is the group that your friend belonged to?
It is one of many different groups that call themselves "The Church of God."
I have never been to one of their meetings—with the exception of my friend's father's funeral.

Say... could you enter an avatar of yourself, with your face large enough for a person to know what you look like?
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Re: Could Luke 20:38 support Universalism?

Post by Homer » Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:42 pm

Hi Paidion,

Given that all three synoptic gospels relate Jesus' response to the Sadducees in much the same way, that as Jesus spoke God was presently, actively the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (see the Greek), and it is pointedly said that He is not the God of corpses, how can it be maintained that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were "dead as a door nail" as He spoke? That has Jesus speaking nonsense. What would His point be in mentioning them?

Given the belief of the Sadducees that the soul is not immortal and there is no afterlife it would appear that the issue Jesus had with them was more than just the resurrection. The resurrection appears to be a synecdoche for the entire issue of any life after death.

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Re: Could Luke 20:38 support Universalism?

Post by Seballius » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:11 pm

Hello Paidion

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Re: Could Luke 20:38 support Universalism?

Post by Seballius » Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:26 pm

A little off topic here,

This forum seems like it got a lot more interaction about five (5) years ago.

What happened?


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Re: Could Luke 20:38 support Universalism?

Post by Singalphile » Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:02 am

Seballius wrote:A little off topic here,

This forum seems like it got a lot more interaction about five (5) years ago.

What happened?
Some possible factors:

1. The regulars have grown older and thus have less time for online discussion.

2. The regulars have grown wiser and thus spend less time in online discussion and theological pondering.

3. The regulars have heard and written the same things over and over and over again and have finally grown weary of it.

4. More online discussion has moved to the popular social media sites.
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Re: Could Luke 20:38 support Universalism?

Post by Seballius » Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:19 am

Just sad,

There is always more to learn and discussions in places like FB just don’t flow as well or go so deep: at least in my opinion.


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Re: Could Luke 20:38 support Universalism?

Post by Paidion » Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:14 pm

Changed the avatar
Thank you, Seballius! Now we'll recognize you next time we see you.
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