The Forceful Kingdom. Support for the reconciliation of all?

[Guest]

...but if God the father raised him, how does this "prove" the deity of Jesus, since several people were raised from the dead who were not deity?
TK

Another thing to also keep in mind is that all the other people that were raised from the dead would eventually die again, whereas Jesus will not.

Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

[Guest]

Good point, Suzana.

Jesus was the first to have a true resurrection of the type Paul described in I Cor 15. "This mortal must put on immortality." Thus Jesus is described as "the first-born from the dead" Colossians 1:18

[Guest]

I knew someone was going to post that one. It is the only verse in the whole New Testament that could be interpreted as saying that Jesus would raise himself from the dead..

For that reason, I think that interpretation is incorrect.

I think in that passage Jesus was prophesying. The Father was speaking through him, and uttering those words, saying that he (The Father) would raise up Jesus if someone destroyed Jesus' "temple" (his body).

Are you saying that John got it wrong?

[Guest]

I knew someone was going to post that one. It is the only verse in the whole New Testament that could be interpreted as saying that Jesus would raise himself from the dead..

For that reason, I think that interpretation is incorrect.

I think in that passage Jesus was prophesying. The Father was speaking through him, and uttering those words, saying that he (The Father) would raise up Jesus if someone destroyed Jesus' "temple" (his body).

Are you saying that John got it wrong?

I was going to ask the same thing.

The bible teaches that there were three involved in the resurrection of Jesus.

The Father. Gal 1:1
The Son. John 2:19-21
The Holy Spirit. Romans 8:11

[Guest]

I knew someone was going to post that one. It is the only verse in the whole New Testament that could be interpreted as saying that Jesus would raise himself from the dead..

For that reason, I think that interpretation is incorrect.

I think in that passage Jesus was prophesying. The Father was speaking through him, and uttering those words, saying that he (The Father) would raise up Jesus if someone destroyed Jesus' "temple" (his body).

Are you saying that John got it wrong?

I was going to ask the same thing.

The bible teaches that there were three involved in the resurrection of Jesus.

The Father. Gal 1:1
The Son. John 2:19-21
The Holy Spirit. Romans 8:11

It seems to me that Paidion believes that death has dominion over diety. It says somewhere (John I think) that the grave could not hold Him. That certainly doesn't seem like its saying that Christ did not raise Himself.

[Guest]

Jesus said that He had the power to lay down His life, and that He had the power to take it up again (John 10:18). It sounds like He was claiming the ablity to raise Himself from the dead, confirming the most apparent meaning of His "destroy this temple" comment, in John 2.

[Guest]

Jesus said that He had the power to lay down His life, and that He had the power to take it up again (John 10:18). It sounds like He was claiming the ablity to raise Himself from the dead, confirming the most apparent meaning of His "destroy this temple" comment, in John 2.

Thanks Steve for the scripture in John 10, it had totally slipped my mind.

[Guest]

thanks steve, for that verse- i knew there was a verse like that but i couldnt locate it when i looked earlier, in response to paidion's request.

i guess that still begs the question of whether Jesus raised himself from the dead or whether God the Father raised him.

TK

[Guest]

thanks steve, for that verse- i knew there was a verse like that but i couldnt locate it when i looked earlier, in response to paidion's request.

i guess that still begs the question of whether Jesus raised himself from the dead or whether God the Father raised him.

TK

I think this discussion all boils down to what we believe regarding the Trinity. If one holds the classic trinitarian position, we can accept all the scriptures that pertain to this issue. Gal 1:1 says the Father raised Jesus. Romans 8:29 says the Spirit raised Jesus, and John 2 says that Jesus raised Jesus.

In order to have it any other way, you have to dismiss what some of the scriptures say.

I am not saying that this issue is easy to understand, even the Apostle Paul said that the deity of Christ issue was a "great mystery" .

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

[Guest]

There are those that argue that in John 2:19 Jesus is not talking about taking his life back from the Father (an active role) but receiving it (a passive one.) Go here to see why.