Mosaic Law and the After Life.

Post by **_STEVE7150** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:09 pm

Is Israel to be excluded from "Believers/Elect/Select"?

As far as i can see the nation of Israel was chosen to be given the "Torah" and also through whom the Messiah would be delivered, but salvation is not a nation thing it's an individual response to Jesus. Of course to respond to Jesus you have to hear him and know who he is and thus the opportunities in this life vary tremendously for different people based on circumstances.

Post by **_Paidion** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:10 pm

Philman wrote:In your view, having spent much time researching the UR position on this subject, there is little to be "disturbed" about in that view.

Philman, there will be plenty about which those who go to Gehenna will be disturbed. Ages and ages of severe correction! The reason I am not disturbed is that the means which God deems necessary to bring a person to Himself, is the best thing that person could receive.

I have total confidence that God will do His best for every individual person, will do whatever it takes, even if it means great discomfort.
He expects us to bring the good news to others so that they may live the best possible life here on earth, as well as in the life to come. But those who won't respond, will nevertheless be reconciled to God, albeit be by way of a very severe mercy.

Post by **__id_2529** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:58 pm

Thanks for the response gentlemen.

What I am essentially getting at is why there is such muteness concering the subject of retribution in the afterlife during periods of time when God made revelations of himself to mankind whether through the law or through signs and wonders.

I guess the archtype of witnessing is often cased in a turn or burn in the afterlife archtype and I just don't find it in OT.

will post more thoughts latter.

merry christmas

Post by **_STEVE7150** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:13 pm

What I am essentially getting at is why there is such muteness concering the subject of retribution in the afterlife during periods of time when God made revelations of himself to mankind whether through the law or through signs and wonders.

As far as i know the only hint about the afterlife in the OT is Dan 12.2 "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake. Some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt."
And in Rom 4, Paul says that Abraham who came before the law was saved by faith and David who came after the law was also saved by faith therefore the "law" was not about salvation.
Merry Christmas to everyone!

Post by **_TK** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:59 am

didnt Job mention something about an afterlife (i.e. that he had an expectation of resurrection) i dont have time to locate the reference right now, but i am pretty sure it is there somewhere.

TK

Post by **_TK** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:06 am

found it quicker than i thought, from Job 19:

25 For I know that my Redeemer lives,
And He shall stand at last on the earth;

26 And after my skin is destroyed, this I know,
That in my flesh I shall see God,

27 Whom I shall see for myself,
And my eyes shall behold, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!

TK

Post by **_STEVE7150** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:32 am

found it quicker than i thought, from Job 19:

Quote:
25 For I know that my Redeemer lives,
And He shall stand at last on the earth;

26 And after my skin is destroyed, this I know,
That in my flesh I shall see God,

27 Whom I shall see for myself,
And my eyes shall behold, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!

You're right TK, i should have remembered that one.

Post by **_Father_of_five** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:21 pm

PhilMan wrote:What I am essentially getting at is why there is such muteness concering the subject of retribution in the afterlife during periods of time when God made revelations of himself to mankind whether through the law or through signs and wonders.

Maybe we have misunderstood the references to after-life punishments in the NT and they are not really saying that at all.

Todd

Post by **__id_2529** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:47 pm

Paidion wrote:
Philman wrote:In your view, having spent much time researching the UR position on this subject, there is little to be "disturbed" about in that view.

Philman, there will be plenty about which those who go to Gehenna will be disturbed. Ages and ages of severe correction! The reason I am not disturbed is that the means which God deems necessary to bring a person to Himself, is the best thing that person could receive.

I have total confidence that God will do His best for every individual person, will do whatever it takes, even if it means great discomfort.
He expects us to bring the good news to others so that they may live the best possible life here on earth, as well as in the life to come. But those who won't respond, will nevertheless be reconciled to God, albeit be by way of a very severe mercy.

I hope your right. I haven't done enough research on this subject to have a complete opinion on this point of view. Many scholarly works on the literal rendering of the greek and hebrew point in this direction. But again that is still a subject of great debate.

Post by **__id_2533** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:08 pm

TK, You may be referring to Job 14:14?

Paidion, I really like your confidence in our Loving Heavenly (Spiritual)Father!

peace, dmatic