The Last Enemy

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Todd
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The Last Enemy

Post by Todd » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:55 am

1 Cor 15:26
The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

Here is something to consider....

If death has been destroyed, then no one is dead anymore. Anyone who has lived and died is no longer dead, because death is destroyed and exists no more.

In this time where we find everyone now alive, we find that none of these are enemies of God since death was the last enemy. If this is the case (God having no enemies), why would God need to apply eternal torment or annihilation?

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Re: The Last Enemy

Post by steve7150 » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:49 am

In this time where we find everyone now alive, we find that none of these are enemies of God since death was the last enemy. If this is the case (God having no enemies), why would God need to apply eternal torment or annihilation?







It's possible that Paul is referring to a future time when death will be destroyed after whoever will be annihilated has been. :idea:

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Re: The Last Enemy

Post by Todd » Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:27 pm

steve7150 wrote:It's possible that Paul is referring to a future time when death will be destroyed after whoever will be annihilated has been. :idea:
I suppose that argument could be made, but, to me, if someone has been annihilated they are dead. It seems, that to say death has been destroyed while at the same time some have been annihilated is not possible. They are mutually exclusive imo.

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Re: The Last Enemy

Post by steve7150 » Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:22 am

I suppose that argument could be made, but, to me, if someone has been annihilated they are dead. It seems, that to say death has been destroyed while at the same time some have been annihilated is not possible. They are mutually exclusive imo.






They are mutually exclusive in the present tense but Paul may mean at some future point in time death will be eliminated , moving forward into the future.

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Re: The Last Enemy

Post by Homer » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:44 pm

Hi Todd,

Your scripture actually seems to support anihilationism:

1 Corinthians 15:26 (King James Version)

26. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.


The Greek word thanatos (death), according to Strong's expanded Greek dictionary, never refers to non-existance. If persons have been anihilated prior to the last enemy (death) being destroyed, they would not be brought out of non-existance as they would be in the same state as if they had never existed.

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Re: The Last Enemy

Post by Todd » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:58 am

Homer wrote:If persons have been anihilated prior to the last enemy (death) being destroyed, they would not be brought out of non-existance as they would be in the same state as if they had never existed.
Homer,

People live and then they die. If they are not resurrected then it is akin to annihilation. But if both the just and unjust are resurrected - as in death being destroyed - then there is no annihilation, unless God chooses to kill them again, which makes absolutely no sense to me. Why raise the dead only to kill them again? And if all are raised as Paul says, then death is destroyed and God has no enemies. This sounds like UR to me.

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Re: The Last Enemy

Post by steve7150 » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:17 am

But if both the just and unjust are resurrected - as in death being destroyed - then there is no annihilation, unless God chooses to kill them again, which makes absolutely no sense to me.







The reason may be to punish them for their sins, perhaps justice demands it? Just a possibility in that in scripture there are different degrees of sin and Jesus said "few stripes vs many stripes" therefore if every unbeliever is simply annihilated then they all get few or no stripes.

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Re: The Last Enemy

Post by Todd » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:52 am

steve7150 wrote:The reason may be to punish them for their sins, perhaps justice demands it? Just a possibility in that in scripture there are different degrees of sin and Jesus said "few stripes vs many stripes" therefore if every unbeliever is simply annihilated then they all get few or no stripes.
But if they are resurrected and killed again, then death really wasn't destroyed after all, right? ;)

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