SOME THINGS ARE ETERNAL; OTHERS ARE NOT

Post by **_Paidion** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:08 pm

I never would have thought that this poem or verse would elicit such a discussion as this.

I quoted the poem or verse, as I would quote a Psalm or a hymn, not because I agreed with all of it theologically, but just because I thought it was something worth quoting.

Let's try this one with appropriate exegesis:

Little Bo Peep has lost her sheep, and can't tell where to find them.

Now that's logical, isn't it? It's logical to assume, that if Little Bo Peep has lost her sheep, well... of course, she can't tell where to find them.

But leave them alone ....

Leave them alone. LEAVE THEM ALONE! If Little Bo Peep can't tell where to find them, she'd have to leave them alone, wouldn't she?

... and they ("they" being the sheep) will come home...

THEY WILL COME HOME! Oh, there'll be a brighter day tomorrow. They will come home!

... wagging their tails....

I guess so. Pray tell, what else could they wag?

... behind them.

Where else? Did we think they'd wag them in front?

Post by **_STEVE7150** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:15 pm

If He did not create it then it is part of His essense and has no beginning or end. Padion quoted the author as saying Heaven is eternal but Hell is not. I think neither are or both are. Light and darkness are related in the same way as Heaven and Hell.

Why? Heaven whatever it may be is only meaningful as it originates from God who is eternal. Light is an attribute of God wheras darkness is not a God attribute therefore why must darkness be eternal and i believe the bible says evil will be destroyed not just contained so why should hell be eternal. I think darkness and evil have a purpose and once these purposes are finished , then these things will be destroyed.

Post by **_Allyn** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:55 pm

Paidion wrote:I never would have thought that this poem or verse would elicit such a discussion as this.

I quoted the poem or verse, as I would quote a Psalm or a hymn, not because I agreed with all of it theologically, but just because I thought it was something worth quoting.

Let's try this one with appropriate exegesis:

Little Bo Peep has lost her sheep, and can't tell where to find them.

Now that's logical, isn't it? It's logical to assume, that if Little Bo Peep has lost her sheep, well... of course, she can't tell where to find them.

But leave them alone ....

Leave them alone. LEAVE THEM ALONE! If Little Bo Peep can't tell where to find them, she'd have to leave them alone, wouldn't she?

... and they ("they" being the sheep) will come home...

THEY WILL COME HOME! Oh, there'll be a brighter day tomorrow. They will come home!

... wagging their tails....

I guess so. Pray tell, what else could they wag?

... behind them.

Where else? Did we think they'd wag them in front?

I'm sorry if my statements and questions are so far fetched to you Paidion. I have read some others like this in other threads and thought mine would fit right in. Guess I was wrong and only a select few can make the outrageous look sane.

Post by **_Steve** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:06 pm

Hi Paidion,

The comparison of your submitted poem to "Little Bo Peep" is not an apt one. You should have anticipated responses, since your post, unlike the nursery rhyme, contains theologically controversial content, which the nursery rhyme does not.

Post by **_Allyn** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:23 pm

STEVE7150 wrote:If He did not create it then it is part of His essense and has no beginning or end. Padion quoted the author as saying Heaven is eternal but Hell is not. I think neither are or both are. Light and darkness are related in the same way as Heaven and Hell.

Why? Heaven whatever it may be is only meaningful as it originates from God who is eternal. Light is an attribute of God wheras darkness is not a God attribute therefore why must darkness be eternal and i believe the bible says evil will be destroyed not just contained so why should hell be eternal. I think darkness and evil have a purpose and once these purposes are finished , then these things will be destroyed.

I agree that only what is meaningful - in the holy sense I might add - originates with God, but it seems only natural to say if there is light then there must be darkness, even if it can't penetrate the light. In a sense its like saying it is freezing outside but there is still warmth in the cold air. Heat pumps work on this concept.

So, concerning darkness, if it is the absense of light then it is not a created thing but instead a condition. Isn't it a fair statement to say that darkness will always be somewhere as long as somewhere continues to exist?

Post by **_STEVE7150** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:45 pm

So, concerning darkness, if it is the absense of light then it is not a created thing but instead a condition. Isn't it a fair statement to say that darkness will always be somewhere as long as somewhere continues to exist?

It's a fair statement but it may be that since God "is light and in Him is found no darkness" that anything outside of God is created which includes darkness. And in Rev it says there is no day or night which may mean there is no darkness so although it sounds like it makes sense that there always will be darkness to contrast the light, that could be a perception that we conceive from the vantage point of this fallen world.

Post by **_Allyn** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:29 pm

Yes I wonder also. When I have thought about such things as light and darkness I have wondered if there will be shadows on the new earth. I have concluded, personally, that there will not. If the glory of God is our light and since He is everywhere at once then I must conclude that the light will be emminating from everywhere just as every molecule of air surrounds mass.

Post by **_TK** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:39 pm

that will make depth perception extremely difficult. will there be tripping in heaven?

TK