God's omniprecence and Total Depravity
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:25 pm
I've come across this very interesting argument. Check it out:
IMO, this is yet another very powerful argument against Total Depravity (as taught by Calvin anyhow). Does anyone know how a Calvin Calvinist would respond to this?God's presence, articualted as His breath and Spirit help constitute the human condition. This is a biblical fact.
My only argument stands, that if this is true, how can one claim that "everything which is in man, from the intellect to the will, from the soul even to the flesh, is defiled and pervaded with this concupiscence; or, to express it more briefly, that the whole man is in himself nothing else than concupiscence."(Calvin)
How can that be true, if God's breath and spirit is a part of who man is?
Genesis 2:7 Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Job 27:3 For as long as life is in me, And the breath of God is in my nostrils,
Isaiah 2:22 Stop regarding man, whose breath of life is in his nostrils; For why should he be esteemed?
Genesis 6:17 "Behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish.
Genesis 7:15 So they went into the ark to Noah, by twos of all flesh in which was the breath of life.
" Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." (Genesis 6:3)
Job 34:14"If He should determine to do so, If He should gather to Himself His spirit and His breath, 15 All flesh would perish together, And man would return to dust.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.
Psalm 146:3 Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation. 4 His spirit departs, he returns to the earth; In that very day his thoughts perish.
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God's presence is in EVERYTHING, man includded:
God is omnipresent. This is a biblical fact you both have ignored thus far..
God is invisible/spirit: (Col. 1:15; 1 Ti. 1:17; Jn. 4:24)
Psalms 139 discusses the inescabability from God's Beautiful Presence. The author imagines going through all aspects of reality, the muti tier levels as he describes it, yet God's Spirit is at every turn.
1 Cor. 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. 7 However not all men have this knowledge
Eph. 4:6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.
Acts 17:27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and exist."
Rom. 11:36 For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things.
Jer. 23:23 "Am I a God who is near," declares the LORD, "And not a God far off? 24 "Can a man hide himself in hiding places So I do not see him?" declares the LORD. "Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?" declares the LORD.
Coloss 1:17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
Clearly, God is "over all and through all and in all."
