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by dwight92070 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:53 pm
[quote="Perry"][quote="dwight92070"]...that we have to acknowledge the supernatural element in the creation account. And which one of us can fully understand the supernatural?[/quote
The main problem I have with the slant of your position, is that it shuts down any chance for discovering anything. If you're going to argue that God is in the business of making things look like what they aren't, then you can justify any amount of wild speculation.
For example, it does indeed appear that light left from distant galaxies many millions of years ago. Is it possible that God created that light traveling that way all at once? Sure it's possible. He's God. He can do what he pleases. But is it likely? We might just as reasonably argue that the light isn't even there at all, but that, rather, there are miracles taking place in our eyes (and our telescopes, and our cameras, and all of our other photon detecting devices.) Surely God is just as capable of fooling us into thinking we're seeing light that isn't there as He would be at fooling us into thinking that the light is older than it appears.
Dwight: Was God fooling the Israelites when He made the waters of the Red Sea part, so they could walk through on dry land? According to your reasoning, He was. Was Jesus fooling His disciples when He made the Sea of Galilee appear to be as hard as rock, because He was walking on it? By your reasoning, He was. Was Jesus fooling His disciples when He instantaneously calmed the wind and the waters of the Sea of Galilee? According to your line of thinking, He was.
Dwight: No, God was not fooling anyone or being dishonest to anyone. Nor was Jesus. He was suspending the natural laws of nature and performing a supernatural act. I don't think God thought to Himself, "I don't want people to think that I'm deceiving them" before He performed his miracles. "They might think that water can stand up like a wall anytime they want it to. Or they might think that they can walk on water whenever they want."
Dwight: When miracles occur, natural reasoning goes out the window. But it appears that many on this thread just can't let go of their natural reasoning, even for a miracle.
"Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom ..."