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Who are you planning to vote for?

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:41 am
by schoel
Who do you plan to cast your vote for and why?

If you aren't voting, why?

If you are undecided, what factors are you wrestling with?


Tis the season...
Dave

Re: Who are you planning to vote for?

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:55 am
by schoel
I'm currently undecided.

Here's why:

Obama (regardless of what he says) and the Democrats are firmly on the payroll and in agreement of pro-choice groups. I have a hard time believing that someone will decide for justice in other issues if they cannot get this obvious one right. Also, as much as he is a charismatic personality, I don't know if he lacks experience.

McCain's official position is that he is pro-life, yet he has waffled on that quite a bit. I'm also not sure that the economic policies of the Republicans have helped to create the mess that we're in now. With all the "maverick" talk, I'm not sure that it is just that, talk.

Both of the main 2 candidates are a bit too "God and Country" for my liking. Both, to one degree or another, are courting the "evangelical" vote, but their promises seem empty and lacking substance.

I don't know much about any other candidates.

I'm also considering whether or not I should vote for a president at all, but I wonder if my vote is a stewardship thing.


Thats where I'm at.

Dave

Re: Who are you planning to vote for?

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:09 am
by TK
Go sarah!

i dont really care about mccain or obama.

TK

Re: Who are you planning to vote for?

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:39 am
by Theophilus
How much weight should we assign to abortion and non-abortion issues in our decision making process?

Sometimes I see the abortion issue as clarifying who Christians should vote for. The other issues seem to be linked to greed, although this could possibly be said of abortion too. But maybe this is exactly the one dimensional thinking that the candidates try to exploit. Maybe all decisions are ultimately moral decisions when it comes to matters of setting domestic and foreign policy.

The seeming difficulty is that republicans cater more to big business but favor life, whereas the democrats are more socialist but do not favor life!

1 Sam 8:10-18

Re: Who are you planning to vote for?

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:50 am
by Paidion
How much weight should we assign to abortion and non-abortion issues in our decision making process?
No weight at all here in Canada. There are absolutely no laws here in Canada relating to abortion. In a local political meeting near here, I asked the question of each candidate if he would work for making "partial-birth abortion" illegal. I was aware that a law was enacted in United States making it illegal, and the law was passed, and already tested in a case where your federal government won.

For those who are unaware of "partial-birth abortion", it is clearly a form of infanticide. In late pregnancy, usually in the final month, and sometimes just prior to the time the birth is expected, the doctor reaches inside and grasps the living child's foot with a forceps, pulls all of the body outside except the head (so that the child is not legally born and therefore not a person). Then a hole is made in the head, and the brains sucked out with a machine. Finally the body of the now dead child, is completely removed from the mother's body.

In Canada, there is no law against this procedure.

If the child had been completely removed from the mother's body, and then killed, this would have been officially a case of murder --- since the status of the child magically changes from "part of the mother's body" to a human being in the moment that all of its body leaves the mother. Who can explain the "logic" of this thinking?

Here in Canada, as I see it, pro-life people should concentrate in making partial-birth abortions illegal before they tackle any other type of abortion. In U.S.A., where this hurdle is already passed, the concentration should be in making third term abortions illegal.

Protests against abortion in general get nowhere. We need to do that which is likely to succeed.

Re: Who are you planning to vote for?

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:40 pm
by steve7150
I don't want to be facing Christ on judgment day and have him ask me why i supported a candidate who supports the killing of babies. Maybe i can say i thought i'd be better off economically under O'bama!
No i don't think so, therefore i'm voting for McCain.

Re: Who are you planning to vote for?

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:53 pm
by Sean
steve7150 wrote:I don't want to be facing Christ on judgment day and have him ask me why i supported a candidate who supports the killing of babies. Maybe i can say i thought i'd be better off economically under O'bama!
No i don't think so, therefore i'm voting for McCain.
So we can vote for the pro-baby-killer or the wife abandoner who left his disfigured wife for a much younger and prettier woman. Neither candidate can be trusted when others lives are in their hands. I don't understand the concept of voting for the lesser of two evils so I'm not voting. Neither candidate is qualified, IMO.

Jesus once commented "Let the dead bury their own". I'll let the dead vote for their own "dead" candidate. Jesus is my Lord.

(No offense to those who are voting) :mrgreen:

Just my opinion, as if it were worth anything. :D

Re: Who are you planning to vote for?

Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:52 am
by schoel
Sean wrote:
So we can vote for the pro-baby-killer or the wife abandoner who left his disfigured wife for a much younger and prettier woman. Neither candidate can be trusted when others lives are in their hands. I don't understand the concept of voting for the lesser of two evils so I'm not voting. Neither candidate is qualified, IMO.
There is a difference between these two issues. McCain has publicly stated that he considers what happened to his first marriage is greatest moral failure. See Saddleback Forum - My greatest moral failing -- and I have been a very imperfect person -- is the failure of my first marriage. It's my greatest moral failure.)
The grace of the Kingdom of God allows for regretted and repented past mistakes in our lives and we must allow for it in others.

Conversely, Obama makes no apologies about being pro-choice and it is an active stance in his life.

Dave

Re: Who are you planning to vote for?

Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:50 am
by mattrose
I would vote for Ron Paul
But since he endorsed Chuck Baldwin... I'll vote for Baldwin

Re: Who are you planning to vote for?

Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:29 am
by Paidion
If I were a U.S. citizen, I would vote for McCain. Don't forget his running mate. She might run for President in the next election!

To me it seem pointless to vote for someone other than McCain or Obama. It's a wasted vote.