Luke 24.51

Post by **_STEVE7150** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:33 am

"Now it came to pass ,while He blessed them , that He was parted from them and carried up to heaven."
I think this was before Christ appeared in Galilee therefore what does His being "carried up to heaven" mean? Did he go up and later come back in secret, which seems reasonable to me or does heaven in this context mean atmosphere?
Steve or anyone familiar with this, i'd appreciate any help?

Post by **_Paidion** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:56 am

I always thought that His appearences to His disciples occurred before this event.

Post by **_STEVE7150** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:52 am

[color=cyan]I always thought that His appearences to His disciples occurred before this event.
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I thought Christ first appeared to his disciples in Jerusalem and later in Galilee to the 500 on the hillside.

Post by **_Roger** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:49 pm

We know that Luke wrote both the gosple of Luke and the book of Acts. I believe that the account Luke gives of Christs being taken up into a cloud in Acts 1:9 is the same event recorded in Luke 24:51. This was the Lord's last bodily appearance on earth. Other bodily appearances after His ressurection are recorded in the word but I believe they were all previous to this event.

In addition to this we know that the first person to see the Lord after His resurrection was Mary. Jesus told her not to touch Him because He had not yet ascended to His Father. But later when He appeared to the other desciples and Thomas was there He told Thomas to touch His body where His wounds were. So His initial ascension occured between these two events. Maybe the Lord ascended to the Father and returned to the desciples numerous times in those closing days of His earthly ministry. That may sound weird but I don't think the word either confirms or opposes such a thought. Let me know if you know different please.

Roger

Post by **_STEVE7150** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:56 am

In addition to this we know that the first person to see the Lord after His resurrection was Mary. Jesus told her not to touch Him because He had not yet ascended to His Father. But later when He appeared to the other desciples and Thomas was there He told Thomas to touch His body where His wounds were. So His initial ascension occured between these two events. Maybe the Lord ascended to the Father and returned to the desciples numerous times

Great point Roger, thanks.

Post by **_Paidion** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:40 pm

I am confused in trying to understand what wrote, Roger.

Are you saying that all of His bodily appearances to the disciples after the resurrection occurred BEFORE his ascension, and that His appearance to Thomas occurred AFTER His ascencion, but that it was not a bodily appearance? Even though Jesus asked Thomas to place his fingers into the nail holes in His body?

Post by **_STEVE7150** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:19 pm

I am confused in trying to understand what wrote, Roger.

After , the resurrection Jesus told the women to tell the disciples to meet him in Galilee but he knew they did'nt believe the women so Jesus first went to Jerusalem to appear to the disciples. But in Luke 24.51 it says he ascended into heaven , but he still had'nt gone to Galilee yet so what was this ascension about?

Post by **_Paidion** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:13 pm

I still don't get it, Steve 7150. I've never before heard anyone state that Jesus appeared to people AFTER his ascension.

Luke's account of His ascension is right near the end of his gospel. What scriptural evidence is there that his going to Galilee, as recorded in Matthew, occurred AFTER this ascension?

I'm not saying you're not right. I just need it spelled out for me.

Post by **_STEVE7150** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:06 pm

Luke's account of His ascension is right near the end of his gospel. What scriptural evidence is there that his going to Galilee, as recorded in Matthew, occurred AFTER this ascension?

Paidion, "and that he was seen by Cephas ,then by the twelve. After that he was seen by over five hundred brethren the greater part remain to the present ,but some have fallen asleep. After that he was seen by James ,then by all the apostles." 1 Cor 15.5-7

The phrase "then by the twelve" i think refers to Luke 24.39 when Jesus met the disciples (11) in the upper room and then it says in 24.51 he ascended to heaven but Paul says AFTER THAT he was seen by the 500. I think the 500 saw him in Galilee in Matt 28.16-17 since it says "but some doubted" meaning there were others besides the disciples at Galilee. So the question is after he saw "the twelve" in Jerusalem in Luke 24.51 it then says he ascended to heaven but Paul says after that he still made appearances.

Post by **_Roger** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:52 pm

What I am saying Paidion is that Mary was the first one to see Jesus after His ressurection. He told her not to touch Him because He had not yet ascended to His Father. Later When He appeared to the desciples and Thomas was there He told Thomas to touch His hands and side ....therefore I come to the conclusion that between these two events He had ascended to His Father. Otherwise why would He respond differently to Thomas?

This of course was not His being taken up in the cloud that is recorded in Acts chapter one.