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Christian Salvation?

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:48 pm
by _SoaringEagle
The following is a piece of an article by one who is now an atheist, and wrote this to question Christian salvation. So, I posted it here to see if people would and could critique it and bring clarity and understanding to show the simplicity of the message of salvation.

By B. Steven Matthies
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During my discussions with most Christians regarding my lack of belief, sooner or later I am usually presented with the fact that I am not saved and risk an eternity of damnation. Indeed, when I was a Christian, eternal salvation was something I did not take lightly. After all, what sane person would risk an eternity of damnation by turning away from God or questioning His precepts? Regardless, many well-meaning Christians tell me that I need to turn to the Bible for my answers, that, somehow, via the rule of faith, God will once again "inspire" me to find the true meaning in those sacred words.

Ever the quick study, I decided to take those Christians up on their advice and once again found myself back in the Bible trying to figure out how one is "saved." Logic would dictate that obtaining this salvation would be fairly straightforward and laid out in one easy-to-understand book--especially if said creator of this book wanted to make sure His followers were indeed "saved." Of course, upon investigation I found that this is not the case. One Christian denomination tells us the "saved" were predestined. One tells us that baptism is required. Another says baptism is a ritual and that salvation comes through belief in Christ's sacrifice. Others say Christ's sacrifice alone is enough. Yet another stresses good works or the grace of God. In fact, depending on which denomination of Christianity one subscribes to, any combination of the following bible verses can be used to justify how one is saved:

By Hearing the Gospel & Belief in God: John 5:24: "He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life."

By Baptism: John 3:5: "Jesus answered, 'I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.'"

By Grace & Faith, not Works: Ephesians 2:8,9: "For by grace are ye saved through faith ... not of works."

By Faith & Works: James 2:17: "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."

By Keeping the Law: Matthew 19:17: "... if thou wilt enter unto life, keep the commandments."

By Belief in Christ: John 3:16: "... whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

By Belief and Baptism: Mark 16:16: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

By Words: Matthew 12:37: "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."

By Calling on the Lord: Acts 2:21: "whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

Not Works but by Grace & Baptism: Titus 3:5: "Not by works ... but according to his mercy ... by the washing of regeneration." (Note: some denominations will say the washing refers to Christ's blood and sacrifice.)

According to Proverbs 16:4: God made the "wicked" for "the day of evil" (i.e. judgment & damnation). Of course, this makes no sense in light of passages that confirm or suggest that Jesus died for a small number of the elect; or that suggest all will be saved: John 1:29, 4:42, 1 Corinthians 15:29, Hebrews 2:9, 1 John 4:14.

Salvation Available to the Chosen Few: Matthew 7:14, 22:14, Luke 12:32, 13:24, John 6:37,65,15:16,19, Romans 8:29, 9:11-23, Ephesians 1:4.

Salvation Available to Those Who Desire it: Matthew 7:7-8, 11:28, John 3:16, 5:40, 7:37, Acts 2:21, Revelations 3:20.

Now I'm sure some critics will say I'm taking those verses "out of context." Well, to those critics I ask that a "context" be clearly defined and followed among Christians before you criticize my observations. If these rules were clearly defined among Christians, one would not see various Christian denominations debating the ritual of baptism, women as preachers, interpretation of scripture, and the Trinitarian concept. Putting those critics aside for the moment, this leads us to the present day state of affairs among the various denominations of Christianity. Granted, I'm no theologian, but one would think a perfect God who knows "everything" would have foreseen what these contradictions would do to his followers' faith. One would think that a perfect God would have directed His followers to write one sacred book. One would think that this one book would detail just exactly how one is to be "saved" and that this plan would be uniformly followed--at least among Christians. More importantly, one would think that Christianity would agree on just exactly how one is "saved." Of course, once again confusion reigns!

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:27 pm
by _Christopher
Hi Soaring Eagle,

In my opinion, the person that wrote this is not really seeking to be saved or even seeking the truth. If he/she was, he/she would find it. Jesus said so (Matt 7:7, Luke 11:9).

If one takes all the verses that talk about "how to be saved" and look at them with a sincere desire to understand it, it's pretty clear that it comes down to one thing, be in a right relationship with God.

Trying to formulate a prescription for salvation demonstrates legalism, not loving submission to your Master and Savior.

Jesus simply said "if you love me you will keep my commandments".

It's not surprising that people like this just don't get it.


1 Cor 1:18
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing
NKJV


Why?

1 Cor 2:14
the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
NKJV


That we disagree on peripheral issues does not negate the simple message of the cross. I don't believe that this argument will hold a drop of water when such a person stands before his/her Maker and Judge.

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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:49 pm
by _Anonymous
I completly agree with the above. Most of the versus the Athiest quoted are ripped out of context of the passage. I have read many articles from other Athiest that do the same thing. If one wants to know the truth, the Holy Spirit will guide them to it. My question in return to the Athiest is this, what is your alternative? Should I trust in mans view of science? Will this bring me peace? Should I reject the bible when science and Archeology confirm it? This should get a rise out of them. LOL. Thanks for the article.

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:47 pm
by _Roger
Jesus said" Ye search the scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life, and you will not come unto me that you might have life."

The scriptures tell us about a real person. It's this person Jesus that not only gives us life but who is life. A person can have his head full of the teachings of the bible and not come to Jesus that he might have life.

It sounds like to me like this fellow never really touched Jesus or had much of an experience with Him. I'm not trying to judge the man. I hope that he could find his way through all of this mental consideration( or be brought out of it) and somehow touch the living Christ.

There are many times in my life when I get so involved with work and other issues that it seems I have lost my nearness to the Lord. But there is something in me that has tasted God and touched Him many times and I am always drawn back to have a fresh touch with the Lord again. I believe this is what Jesus meant when He said "come unto me that you might have life." The Spirit of Jesus is a living reality that can be touched. It's not a doctine or a teaching. I hope this man could touch the living Christ and not just a bunch of verses in the bible.