What is the right response if your wife is being assaulted?
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:41 am
Any thoughts?
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Because you are looking for the thought that agrees with your already chosen beliefs?dwight92070 wrote:We have a BINGO here!!!
I apologize for how I came across. I will not make excuses. I'll simply say that your response to Steve appeared like what I've been seeing, not only in forums, but even in my seminary classes. The "right" opinion already being predetermined as the initiator of the discussion is simply just eagerly awaiting to see how many get it "right" by voicing their opinion. I missed the genuineness of your question in what I read from the appearance.dwight92070 wrote:Excuse me, Mr. more honest than anyone else, if I didn't have a desire for true dialogue, I wouldn't even be on this forum and I have already dialogued plenty with you and will continue to. It was a sincere question, not a bait. I really wanted to know, and you, Jaydam, were honest and yes courageous enough to give everyone a straight answer and I appreciate that, even though I disagree with it. It appears that I can't get Paidon to do that. And yes, I do have my mind made up on this and many issues and i daresay that you do to. And no, I am not so close-minded that I would never change my mind, if I saw the validity of your position, or anyone else's.
I feel sorry for your wife, who because of your, I believe, naive belief, that you should love and show hospitality to some guy who just raped, or is in the process of raping her and then attempting to kill her, can never really feel secure. Don't you get it? Your wife lives in fear, because you are not willing to stop her assailant, even if it means killing him?
But yes, I will change my mind, even on this, if you can show me Biblically where I am mistaken. On the other hand, I have heard your opinions several times on other posts, yes, even on this topic, or at least a closely related issue. but up to now, I cannot agree with you. After a certain point, dialogue becomes useless, if our goal is solely to change the other person's mind, and yet they are determined to not change their mind. However, dialogue can be useful, to see other's viewpoints.
I totally agree. And don't think you need to apologize. I think a respectful tone is a huge component to this. Dwight's wasn't.jaydam wrote:Because you are looking for the thought that agrees with your already chosen beliefs?dwight92070 wrote:We have a BINGO here!!!
I'm getting tired of questions supposedly looking for "thoughts" or "open to ideas" which are really bait by an OP already holding his belief firmly and no true desire to dialogue and be open to input.
Why not just declare your position and say, "How many agree with me?" Then pat each other on the back when you agree? It would be a more honest post.
My input might not be as well practiced as many here who have years more experience, but I enjoy the opportunity to dialogue and gain that practice and also hone my understandings and position. However, it seems like there is an overabundance of baiting posts lately where there truly is no desire to contemplate the sides, just a desire to hear an agreeing opinion on a already decided position and declare all others null and void - all camouflaged in the cover of a seeking question.
/rant
Yes, but this was not raised in the question at this thread. The instinct to protect oneself is an entirely different (sometimes diametrically opposed) matter to that of defending another.I can well understand the desire to defend ourselves from death or even harm.
I know that a significant number of people (even non-Christians) have given their lives to save others. That fact seems to support your statement. Yet, there seems to be a certain element of self-service even in defending others. For example, why is an individual usually more adamant in defending his wife or children, than he is in defending other people's wives or children? If it not because his own wife and children are more important to HIM?Yes, but this was not raised in the question at this thread. The instinct to protect oneself is an entirely different (sometimes diametrically opposed) matter to that of defending another.