The Narrow Path Ministries

I was wondering if others have been taught that adam was perfect before he sinned? I have heard preachers on the radio speak as if his thoughts were perfect, clear and without error and that he was immortal but this causes a problem with me. This is my reasoning. If Adam was perfect, without a corrupt nature or corruptable nature, then how did he sin? It would seem to me that adams flesh from the beginning wasn't perfect, that physical death may have been already built into out bodies (note that I am not talking spiritual death).

Any comments?

In Christ,
Jim

I could be wrong but i thought he was spiritually neutral not perfect. After all the tree of life was in the garden but he never ate from it.

i believe adam was innocent. he wasnt thinking evil thoughts because he didnt know what evil was. he wasnt doing evil things, for the same reason. after he sinned, his eyes were opened to the "dark side." how this actually happened or what it looked like is a mystery. but he wasnt innocent any longer. unfortunately, his character (and that of his offspring) was drawn to evil. however, i dont think he turned into a dirty rotten sinner. far from it.

prior to the temptation, adam never had an "opportunity" to choose sin. at least that's the way i look at it.

TK

TK wrote:i believe adam was innocent. he wasnt thinking evil thoughts because he didnt know what evil was. he wasnt doing evil things, for the same reason. after he sinned, his eyes were opened to the "dark side." how this actually happened or what it looked like is a mystery. but he wasnt innocent any longer. unfortunately, his character (and that of his offspring) was drawn to evil. however, i dont think he turned into a dirty rotten sinner. far from it.

prior to the temptation, adam never had an "opportunity" to choose sin. at least that's the way i look at it.

TK

I don't think adam was thinking evil thoughts either, in fact the desire to learn i would think isn't necessarily evil. I do believe adam was innocent up until he knowingly sinned. God had only 1 commandment don't eat from this tree. Could of adam "sinned" against his wife prior, not knowing the diffrence between good and evil, thus he was still innocent? My question is adams very nature which seems to me he had the very nature in his flesh to sin prior to sinning. If so, then when he saw something he desired he choose to go against God, which was his own fleshly desires. It was then when he acted upon his flesh and sinned he died spiritually e.g. He put a barrier (sin)which caused the seperation between him and God. Could the tree have been the vehicle to show adam, that he and eve were already drawn to the darkside?

In Christ,

Jim

i would agree that adam had the "ability" to sin prior to eating the fruit. he was also able NOT to sin. the same applies to Jesus, who in my view was capable of sin, but unlike every other person ever born, was able to resist sinning. whereas adam failed his first test, Jesus passed every one.

TK

"Perfect" is not a Hebrew concept. It is a Greek one. In Genesis, God calls His creation "Very good", not perfect.