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Glass of water and O.T. Law analogy
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:11 am
by _PAULESPINO
If a glass is empty or half empty we can fill it up with water just before the water spills from the glass. After the glass has been filled with water whatever water we pour into that glass will be useless because the excess water will spill from that glass and therefore is useless.
equate the glass with O.T Law and the water with legalism such as following the sabbath.
Since Jesus Christ has fulfilled the law with his own works
whatever works (i.e. Sabbath, Tithes, legalism) we add will become useless because the works will spill out just like the excess water in the glass spills out.
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:43 am
by _roblaine
Since Jesus Christ has fulfilled the law with his own works
whatever works (i.e. Sabbath, Tithes, legalism) we add will become useless because the works will spill out just like the excess water in the glass spills out.
Well said PAULESPINO.
Robin
reply to PAULESPINO
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:46 pm
by _kaufmannphillips
Hello, Paul,
I disagree. Each person has their own glass. Jesus can only fill his own.
Put another way: Jesus can only be faithful in living his own life, and only we can be faithful in living ours.
Shalom,
Emmet
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:49 pm
by _TK
i was going to say something similar to what emmett said, but i wasnt sure how to formulate it. i guess it depends upon what "works" you consider legalism or fulfilling the law. certainly not things like caring for the poor, acts of service, giving to ministry, etc etc.
TK
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:02 pm
by _PAULESPINO
Hi TK,
I appreciate your honesty but I was referring to legalism such as sabbath
and all forms of legalism.
reply to PAULESPINO
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:36 pm
by _kaufmannphillips
Hello, Paul,
Could I impose upon you for a definition of "legalism"?
Thank you,
Emmet
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:55 pm
by _PAULESPINO
When I said legalism I was referring to sabbath, tithes and circumcision and perhaps there are others that I'm not aware.
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:36 pm
by _TK
paul--
i agree with you now that you have narrowed the definition. you mean "pharisee-ism." i assume when you say "sabbath keeping" you mean the jewish tradition of doing no work, etc on the sabbath as opposed to "going to church."
TK
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:37 pm
by _Paidion
le-gal-ism (leg-lizm)n. 1. Strict, literal adherence to the law or to a particular code, as of religion or morality. 2. A legal word, expression, or rule.--le'gal-ist n. --le'gal-is'tic adj. --le'gal-is'ti-cal-ly adv.
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There's nothing wrong with legalism in the above sense.
I am sure each one of us has a set of moral standards to which we adhere. We are not antinomianists.
Where a problem lies, if any, is with the position that attempting to follow a particular code of laws, through self-effort, is the way to be acceptable to God.
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:38 pm
by _TK
agreed, paidion
TK