The caucus condemns and refuses alliances with any groups that pursue the conversion of Jews to Christianity.
The caucus refuses coalitions with groups that regard terrorism as a form of freedom fighting.
And the point of this is what exactly? Making it appear the govt views missionaries and terrorists the same?
I agree that it's tragic that american churches give contributions to the govt of Israel instead of churches in Israel or messianic congregations. I'm all for evangelizing jews in Israel but to be fair , from their perspective the whole national identity of Israel is wrapped up in judaism not just as a religion but also as a culture. So if they are not real excited about Christian evangelism it's not difficult to figure out why.
I follow messianic judaism and it is making steady progress in Israel as many secular jews have a spiritual void yet detest orthodox judaism.
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It is an exact quote from the official Israeli Knesset Website, which is linked in the above post. I noticed the heading and the print are smaller than when I first found the web page, but the words are the same.STEVE7150 wrote:The caucus condemns and refuses alliances with any groups that pursue the conversion of Jews to Christianity.
The caucus refuses coalitions with groups that regard terrorism as a form of freedom fighting.
And the point of this is what exactly? Making it appear the govt views missionaries and terrorists the same?...
I guess there is no point, except to make known the "Caveats of the Knesset Christian Allies Caucus," quoted from Knesset Christian Allies Caucus, from the Knesset Lobbies section of the Knesset Website.
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"Were not our hearts burning within us? (Lk 24:32)
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Re: Knesset Christian Allies Caucus
This caucus is Jewish and has the vested interest of maintaining positive relations with Christians who support Israel (but who are decidedly not "evangelical" in terms of, well, actually evangelizing). They want the tourists and financial support...they just don't want to become Christians (or would that be: don't want to lend governmental support to "converting anyone")? I can see how it would be difficult for the Israeli government to give official support and approval to an evangelical group. But in the area of "condemning" evangelicals (who do evangelization)...is where it gets sticky. They have a big problem because not all Jews in Israel are just Jews (some are also Christians). So is this an issue like "separation of church and state" or is this a form of censorship? Tough call for me, I just don't know enough about it.
Re: The legality of preaching the Gospel in Israel
I don't know when it was, exactly, but Benny Hinn and David Wilkerson have had evangelical meetings in Israel in recent years (possibly before new laws have come into effect?)...I don't know.
Btw, I also read of the missionary couple who have been asked to leave the country (via being denied permanent citizenship). They could have stayed with a tourist visa but would have been required to leave Israel once every three months.
As of today, anyway, there is still an evangelical Christian television broadcasting company in the country (Daystar Television Network):
Israeli Cable Provider to Cancel Christian TV Network
by Ze'ev Orenstein
August 30, 2007
Excerpted from the article:
Perhaps we should not send them lots of money but lots of t.v. remotes (all's you do is channel surf, flip the station)!
Rick
Re: Knesset Christian Allies Caucus
This caucus is Jewish and has the vested interest of maintaining positive relations with Christians who support Israel (but who are decidedly not "evangelical" in terms of, well, actually evangelizing). They want the tourists and financial support...they just don't want to become Christians (or would that be: don't want to lend governmental support to "converting anyone")? I can see how it would be difficult for the Israeli government to give official support and approval to an evangelical group. But in the area of "condemning" evangelicals (who do evangelization)...is where it gets sticky. They have a big problem because not all Jews in Israel are just Jews (some are also Christians). So is this an issue like "separation of church and state" or is this a form of censorship? Tough call for me, I just don't know enough about it.
Re: The legality of preaching the Gospel in Israel
I don't know when it was, exactly, but Benny Hinn and David Wilkerson have had evangelical meetings in Israel in recent years (possibly before new laws have come into effect?)...I don't know.
Btw, I also read of the missionary couple who have been asked to leave the country (via being denied permanent citizenship). They could have stayed with a tourist visa but would have been required to leave Israel once every three months.
As of today, anyway, there is still an evangelical Christian television broadcasting company in the country (Daystar Television Network):
Israeli Cable Provider to Cancel Christian TV Network
by Ze'ev Orenstein
August 30, 2007
Excerpted from the article:
It appears that whatever laws or (pending?) legislation there is in the Knesset and/or Israel; this network is still on the air and has the right to sue if taken off.(IsraelNN.com) The Israeli cable provider HOT is taking steps to drop a global Christian network from its selection of offered channels as a result of numerous complaints it has received relating to the missionary content aimed at converting Jews in Israel to Christianity....
In response, Amir Witkon, attorney for Daystar Television Network, said "You cannot close down this station just because it is a Christian station." He added that if the Israeli Council for Cable TV and Satellite Broadcasting authorizes the HOT Cable Company to drop the Daystar Television Network channel, then they would pursue legal action in the Israeli courts to defend their right to freedom of expression.
Perhaps we should not send them lots of money but lots of t.v. remotes (all's you do is channel surf, flip the station)!
What an odd quote from Hagee, Weird....When the Daystar Television Network first began broadcasting in Israel just over a year ago, Pastor John Hagee, who recently launched a national grassroots lobby, Christians United for Israel, which mobilizes Evangelical political support for the Jewish state, remarked that, “It’s just all I can do to keep from getting up and dancing. It’s a joy and it’s a dream come true. If we are able to preach the gospel without reservation [in Israel]... it’s a major breakthrough.”
Rick
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“In Jesus Christ God ordained life for man, but death for himself” -- Karl Barth
TK,
What's the MP3 about (before I load it...takes a while for me, on dialup, win98, 1st edition, lol)?
What's the MP3 about (before I load it...takes a while for me, on dialup, win98, 1st edition, lol)?
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“In Jesus Christ God ordained life for man, but death for himself” -- Karl Barth
art katz (he died very recently) was formerly an atheistic jew who got converted and then had various ministry focuses, most recently to the jewish people. he's a pretty deep thinker and very smart, and i have always liked listening to his teaching. he can be a bit abrasive, because he is not afraid to speak plainly. "to the jew first" is essentially an explanation as to why christians are intimidated to reach out to jews. "Why?" he asks? "Because you're all a bunch of sissies." he goes on to explain why jews are opposed to the gospel, the history of persecution, etc. it's interesting, coming from a believing Jew.
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TK,
I listened to the Art Katz lecture you linked to and thought it was very interesting. As a Jew, Katz could say things that non-Jews might get in trouble for ("political & theological correctness")....
I liked the lecture so much I loaded several more. In these I was somewhat disappointed, learning that Katz was dispensational and premillennial. But since almost all Jewish Christians are-that...I wasn't surprised.
I know of one Jewish guy who became a Christian who is partial preterist and amillennial (he is the only Jewish Christian I know of -- in the whole world! -- who isn't dispensational/premill)...I don't know this brother very well but he married an online friend of mine I've known for about five years.
Your one lecture was well worth the listen though.
Thanks,
Rick
I listened to the Art Katz lecture you linked to and thought it was very interesting. As a Jew, Katz could say things that non-Jews might get in trouble for ("political & theological correctness")....
I liked the lecture so much I loaded several more. In these I was somewhat disappointed, learning that Katz was dispensational and premillennial. But since almost all Jewish Christians are-that...I wasn't surprised.
I know of one Jewish guy who became a Christian who is partial preterist and amillennial (he is the only Jewish Christian I know of -- in the whole world! -- who isn't dispensational/premill)...I don't know this brother very well but he married an online friend of mine I've known for about five years.
Your one lecture was well worth the listen though.
Thanks,
Rick
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Benaiah - a member here - is also of jewish descent and is a realized millennialist.
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