Reincarnation question

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Re: Reincarnation question

Post by Paidion » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:36 pm

Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”

And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” Matthew 16:13,14 ESV


Did not those who said that Jesus was John the Baptist, Elijah, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets, believe that one of these was reincarnated as Jesus? Surely they did not believe that Jesus was one of these who had risen from the dead. For the resurrection was not expected until the last day:

John 11:24 Martha said to him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.”
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Re: Reincarnation question

Post by Michelle » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:12 am

Yes, I read that explanation, too. Did those sites mention the quote (in blue) which I added to my post?
No. Thanks for the reference.
From the Apocrypha:

"Now I was a child good by nature, and a good soul fell to my lot. Nay,rather, being good, I came into a body undefiled." (The Wisdom of Solomon 8:19-20)
Thanks once more.
Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”

And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” Matthew 16:13,14 ESV

Did not those who said that Jesus was John the Baptist, Elijah, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets, believe that one of these was reincarnated as Jesus? Surely they did not believe that Jesus was one of these who had risen from the dead. For the resurrection was not expected until the last day:

John 11:24 Martha said to him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.”
This one was mentioned. I don't know about Jeremiah; that could be a reference to reincarnation. Elijah didn't die, so if he returned would it be reincarnation, per se? John the Baptist is even more puzzling. Jesus and John were once alive at the same time, and even knew and interacted with each other. Do you think they believed that a soul could be reincarnated into a body that already was alive?

Thanks, again, for all your help, Paidion.

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Post by Jill » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:48 am

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Re: Reincarnation question

Post by Paidion » Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:35 am

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Re: Reincarnation question

Post by Paidion » Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:41 am

This one was mentioned. I don't know about Jeremiah; that could be a reference to reincarnation. Elijah didn't die, so if he returned would it be reincarnation, per se? John the Baptist is even more puzzling. Jesus and John were once alive at the same time, and even knew and interacted with each other. Do you think they believed that a soul could be reincarnated into a body that already was alive?
Michelle, you believe and I believe that Elijah didn't die. But did those who asked the question so believe? For the Scripture does not say what happened to him after he was taken up.

Also, is it possible that those who asked the question were not aware that John the Baptist and Jesus had been alive at the same time? Yet, I concede that it is possible that they only meant that John's spirit somehow entered Jesus.
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Re: Reincarnation question

Post by Michelle » Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:36 am

Paidion wrote: Michelle, you believe and I believe that Elijah didn't die. But did those who asked the question so believe? For the Scripture does not say what happened to him after he was taken up.

Also, is it possible that those who asked the question were not aware that John the Baptist and Jesus had been alive at the same time? Yet, I concede that it is possible that they only meant that John's spirit somehow entered Jesus.
Thanks for your thoughts, Paidion. It is interesting to think about what misconceptions were floating around at the time of Jesus' ministry, isn't it? I appreciate the opportunity to stretch my knowledge base a little bit.

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Re: Reincarnation question

Post by Michelle » Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:41 am

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To be fair, Douglas started this thread by presenting the possibility that reincarnation is part of God's plan, and asked for comments. Jill was offering her comments on reincarnation, which directly address Douglas' OP. We, however, are the ones who have taken this side trip, exploring a belief system from 2,000 years ago.
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Post by Jill » Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:14 pm

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Re: Reincarnation question

Post by Paidion » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:54 pm

To be fair, Douglas started this thread by presenting the possibility that reincarnation is part of God's plan, and asked for comments. Jill was offering her comments on reincarnation, which directly address Douglas' OP. We, however, are the ones who have taken this side trip, exploring a belief system from 2,000 years ago.
Thank you, Michelle. You are right, of course. I can hardly believe that I was so arrogant as to think that our "side trip" was the main theme of the thread.

Jill, I regret what I wrote to you, and deleted those words.
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