Original sin

[Guest]

Hi Darin,

Genesis 3:2-3 (And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ”)

Adam and Eve does not know the meaning of sin before the "fall".
They were like an innocent baby who does not know the difference between good and evil. They were created perfect with no defects. They were sinless. But there flesh is susceptible to sin otherwise they would have not felt the effect of sin if they were immune from sin. Every new born babies are also sinless but some babies were born with defects because their flesh are now living in this fallen world but the spiritual condition of a baby is not affected by this fallen world until they reach the age of accountability . The age of accountability is the age in which the person becomes aware of good and evil. Once that person commits sin for the first time in his life then that is the only time that his spirit becomes separated from God.

The difference between Adam and Eve before the fall with babies is that
Adam and Eve were in paradise which is a perfect world while babies are in a fallen world.

The similiraties between Adam and Eve with babies is that both of them were created sinless.

[Guest]

Paul, how do you understand the phrase "original sin"? Do you understand it as inheriting "SIN"? Or as inheriting a "SINFUL NATURE"?

I think it a mistake to assume babies are directly created by God.
We inherit both physical, mental, and spiritual characteristics from our parents, their parents, and so on, right back to Adam and Eve.

You are right in saying that we do not inherit SIN from Adam and Eve, but we do inherit a sinful nature, that is a nature which has a tendency toward wrongdoing. We are a single unified entity made up of physical , mental, and spiritual aspects. All of this is inherited from the first man and woman.

[Guest]

Hi Paidion,

I believe that we are all directly created by God there is nothing in the scripture that will contadict that.

Yes, I believe that we inherited a sinful nature but we don't inherit this sinful nature when we are innocent babies. We inherit this sinful nature only when we first become aware of the difference between good and evil.

[Guest]

By the way Paidion sinful nature does not make you sinful. It is commiting the sin that makes you sinful. As you said sinful nature is the tendency to commit sin

[Guest]

Paul, not only does the human baby possess all the characteristics in its genes inherited from its forefathers, but so does the tiny zygote that is formed by the union of the sperm and the egg.

Yes, I believe that we inherited a sinful nature but we don't inherit this sinful nature when we are innocent babies. We inherit this sinful nature only when we first become aware of the difference between good and evil.

Paul, these words make no sense to me whatever.

[Guest]

Hi Paidion,

I will change my position regarding inheriting sin. I believe that we don't inherit sin as was mentioned in the following:

Ezekiel 18:20
20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, wand the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

[Guest]

Paul:

Original sin does not imply guilt. The infant has done nothing and is innocent. Original sin is a condition.

Adam was kicked out of the Garden where he once walked with God. We are all , as a result , also born outside the Garden and seperated from God.

Thomas

[Guest]

Hi Thomas,

We are not responsible for our father's sin.
Ezekie 18:20 
The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, wand the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

The reason Adam and Eve was removed from the garden was because of the following verse.

Genesis 3:22
22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever.

Could you please briefly explain what you meant by Saying that "Original sin is a condition".

[Guest]

I will change my position regarding inheriting sin. I believe that we don't inherit sin as was mentioned in the following...

Neither of us believes we inherit sin. But I do believe we inherit a sinful nature, that is, a nature which has a predilection to sin. Do you?

[Guest]

Hola Paul:

Gen. 3 16-24 The "curse of Adam"

This is what is meant by "original sin" , we do not inherit the guilt but we do inherit the result of this first sin.

We are not responsible for our father's sin.

No , of couse not. We are not being punished by this. It is a condition we must overcome , and Christ is the way. We are born seperated from God as a result of being born outside the Garden , and will never fully return to that state until our resurection , (Rev.21) when Christ promises to once again walk among us.

The most we can do is overcome the worst of this curse by belief and Baptism. I'm afraid we will always have to live by the sweat of our brow however.

The reason Adam and Eve was removed from the garden was because of the following verse.

No , they were removed because of the eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge. . They were removed lest they sin further and eat of the tree of life.

Thomas