Can 15 billion yrs = 6 days?

[Guest]

Applying this rate of universe expansion to the 6 creation days then the time of each creation day would be
Day 1 = 8 billion years
Day 2 = 4 billion yrs
Day 3 = 2 billion yrs
Day 4 = 1 billion yrs
Day 5 = 500 mill yrs
Day 6 = 250 mill yrs


According to Genesis , God did'nt create complex living organisms until the 5th day which is exactly when the Cambrian explosion took place some 550 million years ago.
Apparently life just appeared suddenly out of no place and scientists who are honestly open minded realize there is not enough time for gradual macro-evolution.
If we allow for the possibility that the same God created both the bible and the universe and he knew that some day we would gain the knowledge to understand both together we can begin to see that they both tell the same story.
Just like money itself isn't evil but the love of it is, thus knowledge itself isn't evil but rather the worshipping of it is.

[Guest]

According to Genesis , God did'nt create complex living organisms until the 5th day

Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

And how did these plants properly photosythesize during this lengthy period of time since...

Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

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[Guest]

Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.



And how did these plants properly photosythesize during this lengthy period of time since...



Since God created the heavens in the beginning it certainly included the stars mentioned on day 4 therefore the word "heavens" most likely included the sun and moon.
So i think what came forth on day 4 was the light to rule the day which became clearly visable and the light to rule the night which came from the moon and stars and the sun that already existed.
In the New Jerusalem the nations will eat from the tree of life for healing on a regular basis yet there is no sun or moon so apparently God's light can also do the job.

[Guest]

And how did these plants properly photosythesize during this lengthy period of time since...


BTW one more thing Perry, the Yec's believe the genesis account at face value therefore if the phrase "evening and morning" is to be taken literally , how could there have not been a sun present since day one?

[Guest]

According to Nachmanides one of the great jewish sages the hebrew phrase "vayehi erev" actually means "chaos" rather then "evening" and the hebrew word "boker" means "order" rather then "morning."
So these phrases are meant to depict a process of chaos flowing into order by a directed process.
Another words it's poetic language not literal.

[_Paidion]

So, I take it Steve7150, that you opt for the creation taking place over a period of eighty-twelve jillion years or so.

Well, I am simple and naïve enough to take Genesis 1 at face value.

No, we, in our day, cannot conceive of the sun being absent until day 4. But God created light on day 1. And for all I know, that light may have been sufficient to provide enough warmth to keep the vegetation alive.

[Guest]

Hi Steve7150,

My photosynthesis remark was more of an afterthought than anything. My main challenge was to your assertion that complex life didn't appear until day 5.

Perry

[_Paidion]

Here is an interesting scientific study indicative of creation within a short time frame:

http://www.halos.com/reports/ex-nihilo- ... eation.htm

[Guest]

Well, I am simple and naïve enough to take Genesis 1 at face value.


Clearly Paidion from the depth of your posts, simple and naive are not words i would choose to describe you.
But i've seen there are many other areas of bible interpretation you don't take at face value because the bible contains different writing styles, so why this?

[_Paidion]

But i've seen there are many other areas of bible interpretation you don't take at face value because the bible contains different writing styles, so why this?

I have honestly tried to take all of it at face value, unless it is plain that the writer, or a speaker he quotes, is deliberately using figurative language, or is speaking in parables.

I think that to assign a figurative meaning to scriptures which were meant to be taken at face value, is tantamount to not accepting scriptural statements in the sense which the authors had in mind. It's one of several ways of reading into the scriptures in order to harmonize them with our other beliefs.

And yes, I do believe there were unicorns!
Num 13:22; 24:8 Deut 33:17 Job 39:10 Ps 22:21; 29:6; 92:10
Isaiah 34:7

The Septuagint (Greek translation from the Hebrew) uses the word "monokerōs" which comes from a combination of "mono" (one, single) and "keras" (horn). I understand that the Hebrew word also means "single horn".

However, translators have tried to make it acceptable to the modern reader by translating it other wise:

Wild Ox: ASV, ESV, JPS, NASB, NIV, NKJV, RSV, NRSV

Buffalo: Darby, Rotherham

Rhinocerous: Douay

Reem: YLT

Some translations which stay with the genuine meaning "unicorn" are:

AV, JB2000, KJ21, R. Webster

Anyone want to go figurative on this one?