Relating the Gospel to Common Folk

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Post by _schoel » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:25 am

JC wrote:Example: A teenage girl sees me reading a bible in the park. She approaches me and asks, "I see that you're a Christian... well, I want to know God. How can I do that?"

Possible responses from me (all of which are accurate):

1) "Just read the bible. It's all in there."
-- Poor girl probably quits after reading up to Numbers.

2) "Repent and be baptised for the remission of your sins. Then take up your cross daily and follow Christ."
-- She walks away thinking you're not a native English-speaker and would be better off asking that New Age chick down the hall at her dorm.

3) "You see.. there were these ancient prophecies about someone who would come down from God himself and teach us the right way. His name was Jesus and here are some of the things he said...."
-- If not offended, the girl will probably listen for a while and actually comprehend these words.
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4) "There was a man who had two sons. And the younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of property that is coming to me.’ And he divided his property between them. Not many days later, the younger son gathered all he had and took a journey into a far country, and there he squandered his property in reckless living..." Luke 15:11-32

Jesus often used parables (egad! another Christianese term!) to illustrate truth.
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Post by _JC » Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:03 am

Now that's an interesting approach! I sometimes wonder if using parables would convey the message more clearly. Most of my friends are filmmakers and we definitely have our own lingo, which is an industry wide vocabulary that's not at all intuitive and is often quite silly.

I often forget this when talking to newbies, students or just people asking me how to take good pictures with their new digital camera. After an hour-long explaination about metering highlights, exposure latitudes, proper optics and T-stops I'm often met with a look of bewilderment mixed with irritation. :lol:

I had given these "seekers" the correct information, but it was so far over their heads that it was rendered useless. Handling the gospel is even more delicate than producing good images so I think it's wise to study our approach.
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Post by _Ely » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:18 pm

Plain language? Here's two foundational terms:

Day of the LORD = Coming Global Revolution led by King Jesus
Kingdom of God = Revolutionary Government led by King Jesus



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Viva la Revolucion!!! :)
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Post by _Paidion » Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:28 pm

Ely wrote:
Plain language? Here's two foundational terms:

Day of the LORD = Coming Global Revolution led by King Jesus
Kingdom of God = Revolutionary Government led by King Jesus
Here are Clarence Jordan's "translations":

Day of the Lord = The Lord's Era

Kingdom of God = The God Movement
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Post by _STEVE7150 » Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:44 pm

Paidion, if you have any pictures from inside the womb i'll be impressed!
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Post by _Paidion » Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:57 pm

Paidion, if you have any pictures from inside the womb i'll be impressed!
Sorry to disappoint you, Steve, but this is the earliest.

From this point on, I begin to grow older again.
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Post by _anothersteve » Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:46 pm

JC wrote
1) "Just read the bible. It's all in there."
-- Poor girl probably quits after reading up to Numbers
I gave up at about Genesis 15 while trying to read the KJV. :)
Despite this, Christ still saved me weeks later. Illiteracy and all !!

When I first became a Christian, I didn't know how to read a hymn book..yikes!! and I kept hearing words like carnal, tithing, spiritual etc.., and wondered what they meant.

I became a Christian on my own at home. At the time of my conversion Jesus told me to go to church. In spite of the fact I was now a Christian, going to church was like going to another planet for me. I was really nervous. Thankfully, as soon as I walked into the main auditorium God gave me total peace inside.

Days after I became a Christian I was being challenged by students at my school. I remember one student, who had a religious background, asking me theological questions and wanting to know my position. I didn't even understand his questions, never mind the answers!! Anyway, someone had given me a Gospel of John which had some things underlined in it. It was opened and I happened to look down and read these words underlined "This one thing I know, once I was blind and now I see." I turned the booklet to this student and asked him to read that verse. I shrugged my shoulders as if to say "that's all I can answer as well." He responded, “That’s good” and didn’t ask anymore questions.

JC, you're right about taking the time to put things in words that people like me (pre-Christian) can understand. I used to think that Salvation meant "helping people"....isn't that what the Salvation Army does? I would look at bumper stickers that said things like "Jesus Saves" and think "I know that, what's your point?" Yet have no concept of what it meant. Yes, there are people like me who know very little about Christianity and need to be spoon fed the truth. May we all be gracious truth bearers!! :)

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Post by _Perry » Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:55 pm

Paidion wrote:
Paidion, if you have any pictures from inside the womb i'll be impressed!
Sorry to disappoint you, Steve, but this is the earliest.

From this point on, I begin to grow older again.
I was expecting the next picture to be of a sperm cell.
:D

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Post by _Michelle » Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:13 pm

Ai! Perry! :shock:



Hi Rick,

I hope your week is going better than at the beginning. I've been praying for you!

You said:
Leaving satire (and Christianese) behind; Christianity is a historical religion, "In the fullness of the times, God sent His Son." This being so, I don't see how anyone who seriously considers Christianity can avoid this historical aspect. This means anyone (all) who think about Jesus pretty well much have to also study the differences in language and culture between us and them, then and now. In short, there is an intellectual -- and historical -- content in the Gospel that is very much like if, say, someone wanted to know all about American history. They'd have to go back and study it....

Wanna know about Abe Lincoln? Go back to his historical context and culture and: Study
(How many days were "fourscore"?)
Wanna know about Jesus? Do the same stuff.
(What was a "Messiah"?)......etc., etc.
I think I understand what you mean when you say that "Christianity is a historical religion." I gather you are saying that Jesus came at a point in history and it is helpful and interesting to keep that historical perspective in mind as we study what Jesus taught us. At the same time, however, Jesus is alive and works in the lives of believers, so your parallel with Abraham Lincoln doesn't exactly match up, in my opinion.

JC used this person as an example of what he was trying to say in his opening post:
A widowed mother with five children who works two jobs to support her family may not have time for deep lexical work. Yet it's our job, as the body of Christ, to communicate the gospel message properly to such a person - especially such a person!
I'm going to use it because, well, it was me a few years back, except I had only two children. However, one year I had 5 jobs(not all at once) plus I was taking university courses, so maybe it still works.

I was 30 years old when I became a widow; my children were 4 and 2 years old. The very night my husband died, I had a "God encounter." I couldn't really take the time to research the difference between shekinah and rhema because there was an investigation, with a lot of chaos, going on. Does that mean that I was less than "serious" when I considered His presence that night? Believe me, He was there!

In the months and years that followed there were many times that God miraculously provided for my children and me. Would I have been more "serious" if I had studied first century culture and social norms associated with the miracles of feeding the multitudes? I don't think so. I was filled with awe and gratitude toward my creator for taking care of me.

I do find it interesting to study everything I can about Jesus, including the society into which he was born. I'm just a little bothered by statements such as: "This being so, I don't see how anyone who seriously considers Christianity can avoid this historical aspect. This means anyone (all) who think about Jesus pretty well much have to also study the differences in language and culture between us and them, then and now." It seems to me that you are dismissing the personal relationship with God which is the basis for being a Christ-follower. I truly believe that someone who has little, or no, knowledge of first century Judaism, the Roman occupation, the relationship of servant to master, an honor/shame based society, or any of the myriad of other topics one could study, can still have a relationship, a dynamic relationship with God. I did, and still do. Do you agree it's possible?
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Post by _JC » Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:12 pm

Michelle, thank you for sharing that with us. I'm only beginning to speak out against this attitude because I found myself guilty of it. I'm married to my exact opposite. Although we're the same age and both Christians, we grew up in completely different cultures. I'm the son of an engineer who read 3-4 books a week. My wife's the daughter of a taxi driver in rural Philippines. We obviously come from very different starting points. Though she's never even touched a book on theology (or would care to) she exhibits a very Jesus-like persona.

I'm the kind of person who has to know how things work and why they work. My wife considers such things useless details. Her father was murdered over a land dispute in the Philippines the week before our wedding. My own father had to "give her away." Her response to the situation, though incredible grief-striken, was... I forgive the men who did this. And she meant it! She didn't need a theology lesson... she knew God.
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