How Did Inspiration Work??

[Guest]

I completely disagree, all scripture is prophesy. And make no mistake God protected his word. What we have in the Bible is 'All things That pertain to life and godliness"
2 Peter 1:3
His divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him that hath called us to glory and virtue.
Righty divided of course.

[Guest]

I completely disagree, all scripture is prophesy

You completely disagree with what?

[Guest]

If you don't think the all scripture now includes the Gospels, the Epistles, the leadership letters and Revelation, in other word the New Testament known by most Christians, we are dead in the water.

[Guest]

Hello, JF,

I completely disagree, all scripture is prophesy.

OK - I won't dispute this point, because your scriptural canon would seem to support this (2 Timothy 3:16), and that would suffice as proof for you. But for what it is worth, my theology is not constrained by the Pauline epistles.

If you don't think the all scripture now includes the Gospels, the Epistles, the leadership letters and Revelation, in other word the New Testament known by most Christians, we are dead in the water.

Hmmm... Perhaps you might be dead in the water. But the people of God went for centuries without a shred of the New Testament.

There is no biblical evidence for delineating the full New Testament canon as it has been received by the majority of Christians. That canon is established by the tradition of the church. And at this point, overweening biblicists are dead in the water.

Shalom,
Emmet

[Guest]

I think you can live by the O/T alright, the LDS do and So do the Jews, that is not the full Revelation. Nothing in there about the Sacred Secret. So the will of God is not fully revealed in the Jewish scripture, Have fun.
And neither is mine constrained, but that is were the Instruction for the Church is.

[Guest]

Hello, JF,

Have fun.

I often do . But when it comes to Torah, "fun" is often an inadequate term. Torah is a profound wellspring of life, as well as a delight to those who cherish it.

...that is were the Instruction for the Church is.

For the sake of curiosity, upon what do you base this conclusion?

Shalom,
Emmet

[Guest]

JF, when the original manuscripts of the "New Testament Canon" existed, the concept of the "canon" did not exist. Nor were the writings we now know as "The New Testament" compiled into a single volume.

After Athanasius defined "the canon" as such, the original manuscripts did not exist.

So at no time did the church have the "New Testament Canon" of scriptures in their original form. Thus at no time did the church have the "infallible, inerrant, exclusive Word of God". So holding to the concept has little practical value, especially in the light of multifarious interpretations. Thus we have Jehovah's Witnesses, Trinitarians, Unitarians, Binitarians, Christadelphians, Modalists, Dispensationalists, Preterists, Post-Millenialists, Pre-Millenialists, A-Millenialsits, Roman Catholics, Protestants, Anabaptists, and hundreds of others, all claiming to believe exactly what is written in the "inerrant, exclusively inspired Word of God", and yet drastically differing on some of the most basic matters revealed in the Bible.

Jesus Christ is my chief authority. He is the chief Word of God to man.
So I highly value the four gospels since His words are recorded there.

Secondly, the apostles. Our Lord Jesus taught them, most while here on earth, and Paul by revelation. We are greatly blessed to have their writings with us to this day.

Thirdly, those early elders whom the apostles appointed, especially Clement, who may have been an apostle himself. Many of those writings still exist, and are valuable.

Most people who believe in the "exclusively inspired, inerrant, infallible canon" dismiss the writings of the early Christian leaders as "non-inspired" and therefore "not worth reading". It is odd that these same people read modern Christian writers, who have lived almost 2000 years later, and uphold some of them as expressing the very heart of God.

[Guest]

Jesus was a minister to the circumcision, for the fulfillment of the prophets, much of his words taught to the Jews what that fulfillment was and the heart of God was manifested in his dealings with people. The Church was hidden in God and was a surprise to Satan and also to Christ of which he is the head, the being born of incorruptible seed is a part of that. Like I said have fun living as a Jew. That age is all done with as far as I can see.
You are right in saying that many interpretations sprung form the same scripture, of course only one interpretations counts and that is the one intended, and it is certainly not the intention of God for all the differing opinions.
Romans 15:6
so that with one heart and mouth you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[Guest]

The OT to me clearly shows over and over that it is God who puts the words in the mouth of His prophets. The NT to me clearly shows that scripture is inspired by God. What is written is what God wants us to know.

Here is also what I see, even though I feel scripture is without error, it is interpreted by people who are full of errors and tend to make mistakes (we do still live in the flesh) hence why we have so many diffrent groups ( I do not include the cults such as mormons or jw). Except for the cults I feel I can disagree on interpretation or understanding yet still be united spiritually with all the other groups.

May our Father in Heaven bless you all in Jesus name,

Jim

[Guest]

JF,

You said:

"The Church was hidden in God and was a surprise to Satan and also to Christ of which he is the head,"

Where did you ever get that idea? (I can probably guess.)