How does "Baptism" save you? And what Baptism save

Post by **_Rick_C** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:02 am

Hmmmmm...I can say I agree with Bob's article.
Besides, I've been saved three times and dunked twice.
(I hope no Calvinists saw that),

oO!

Do I need one more time to make a trinity?
(non-trinitarians need not reply).........I better get out of here! Rick

Post by **_SoaringEagle** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:16 pm

I see one aspect of baptism being a public identification of Christ where He is exalted as Leader of the one being baptised before the community of faith. This comes from an apperant type of Christ found in the Old Testament (i.e. moses, 1 Cor. 10:1-2). Also, if we believe in our heart and confess with our mouth that "Jesus is Lord" we shall be saved. Part of confessing this reality to be done publically, which is where baptism comes in the picture.

Post by **_Benzoic** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:28 pm

Paidion wrote: It is my view that if a person refuses baptism on the grounds that it is unnecessary, he will not become regenerated.

So if the person is actually saved, and at that point in their life, they put off getting baptized, he will not be regenerated until being baptized? I don't know if I'm understanding you correctly.

Are you just making a point that if they refuse baptism, they are not in submission to Christ and therefore will not be regenerated?

Post by **_Michelle** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:26 am

Paidion, I think I agree with what you say here about baptism. My question is in regard to your views on universal reconciliation. If I understand your position correctly, people who are unregenerate in this life may become so after the judgement and appropriate and remedial punishment. Will they then need to be baptized?

Post by **_TK** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:20 am

excellent question, Michelle.

TK

Post by **_Paidion** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:14 pm

Michelle wrote:Paidion, I think I agree with what you say here about baptism. My question is in regard to your views on universal reconciliation. If I understand your position correctly, people who are unregenerate in this life may become so after the judgement and appropriate and remedial punishment. Will they then need to be baptized?

I have been asked this question once before by a friend of mine who is considering universal reconciliation to God. The Bible does not seem to give a definitive answer to that question.

In the case of the eucharist or communion, it seems that that celebration of thanksgiving to Christ for His death on our behalf will be observed only until He comes [I Corinthians 11:26]. It is possible that the same thing applies to the ordinance of baptism.

Post by **_Allyn** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:51 pm

Baptism and the Lord's supper are not suggestions. I do not believe these shoild be looked at this way. These are not rituals either but very significant commands which in part are for identifying oneself with Christ.

Post by **_Michelle** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:31 pm

Allyn wrote:Baptism and the Lord's supper are not suggestions. I do not believe these shoild be looked at this way. These are not rituals either but very significant commands which in part are for identifying oneself with Christ.

Allyn, it seems that your comments are a reply to someone's assertion...but whose? Did someone here say that baptism and the Lord's supper are suggestions or rituals?

Post by **_Allyn** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:00 pm

MichelleM wrote:
Allyn wrote:Baptism and the Lord's supper are not suggestions. I do not believe these shoild be looked at this way. These are not rituals either but very significant commands which in part are for identifying oneself with Christ.
Allyn, it seems that your comments are a reply to someone's assertion...but whose? Did someone here say that baptism and the Lord's supper are suggestions or rituals?

No actually just thought assertions, With the many comments being contributed I simply was thinking out loud.

Post by **_Michelle** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:20 pm

Allyn wrote:
MichelleM wrote:
Allyn wrote:Baptism and the Lord's supper are not suggestions. I do not believe these shoild be looked at this way. These are not rituals either but very significant commands which in part are for identifying oneself with Christ.
Allyn, it seems that your comments are a reply to someone's assertion...but whose? Did someone here say that baptism and the Lord's supper are suggestions or rituals?
No actually just though assertions, With the many comments being contributed I simply was thinking out loud.

Okay