What is happened to Israel is happening now to all the west:

[Paidion]

I find it disconcerting when a Christian leans on an atheist to support his theological theory, and leans on a Marxist to support his economic theory.

Why do you find it disconcerting? Do you believe the thinking of atheists and Marxists is always wrong? Would you find it disconcerting for a Christian to use the words of altruistic atheists or Marxists to support his view that starving people ought to receive receive assistance? Would you say that atheists and Marxists can't be trusted when they state that the sum of 2 and 2 is 4.

I asseverate that it is valid to use anyone's thinking in support of any theory, as long as the thinking is rational.

[steve7150]

I asseverate that it is valid to use anyone's thinking in support of any theory, as long as the thinking is rational.










I never heard this word "asseverate" before and it means "to declare earnestly." Probably a Marxist word!

[Paidion]

I know nothing can be proved by polls. Notwithstanding, if the Israelites are the primary aggressors as Steve seems to hold, then why (according to a Gallup poll) are American sympathies for Israel rather than Palestine?—62% sympathizing with Israel versus 15% sympathizing with Palestine. Are Americans that uninformed? Or is it because there are so many Jews in New York?

[steve]

Are Americans that uninformed?

Interestingly, one of the most information-rich websites about this subject is called "If Americans Knew..." http://www.ifamericansknew.org

[steve]

Would you say that atheists and Marxists can't be trusted when they state that the sum of 2 and 2 is 4.

An atheist may be a great mathematician. Generally, they are faulty philosophers—especially on the "God" questions.

[steve7150]

Interestingly, one of the most information-rich websites about this subject is called "If Americans Knew..." http://www.ifamericansknew.org
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Of course Israel only has to lose once and it's all over because Hamas which represents the Palestinians has pledged to destroy Israel. But if Hamas can't then maybe Hezbollah might since they pledged the same thing and they are financed by Iran. But if Hezbollah can't then maybe Iran can since they repeatedly promised to wipe out Israel and Obama by signing a nuclear agreement with them freed up 150 billion dollars for them. Hard to figure what they will use the money for isn't it. Let's not forget ISIS which wants to wipe out Israel too. So not only do these varied muslim groups and countries all hate Israel but their religion encourages hatred of Jews in general, with or without Israel, and they don't like Christians much more.

[Paidion]

Yes, there are sites on each side that claim the fault is mostly on the other side. Here is a site in which the narrator claims that the Jewish state has wanted peace from the beginning, but that the Arab Palestinians have refused peace, and insist on obliterating the Jewish state:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngFYOLOkmaI

As for "facts", consider the position presented in the following site:

https://palestineisraelconflict.wordpre ... -conflict/

[Homer]

I know nothing can be proved by polls. Notwithstanding, if the Israelites are the primary aggressors as Steve seems to hold, then why (according to a Gallup poll) are American sympathies for Israel rather than Palestine?—62% sympathizing with Israel versus 15% sympathizing with Palestine. Are Americans that uninformed?

I do think it is a lack of being informed. Several years back the church we attended gave the pastor a trip to Israel. He was very much on the side of the Israelites. He even went again, for free, by leading a group of tourists from our area. Then a member of the church whose sister was a Quaker who ran a small charity for Palestinian children in Ramallah invited the pastor to visit there. After the pastor came back his sympathies had switched to the Palestinians. He had travelled around with Palestinians and experienced the treatment they received from the Israelites. He was appalled by how they were routinely treated.

[RoyHobs]

Anyone here heard of Coudenhove-Kalergi?

Analysis here -- http://andrewcarringtonhitchcock.com/Je ... sed%21.php

[steve7150]

Anyone here heard of Coudenhove-Kalergi?









I always knew Jews were blamed for a lot of things but this one i never heard, " Jewish genocide of the white race." Of course the reason is because Jews are really Asians not whites! Finally this is all cleared up!