Covenant Error

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In2joy
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Covenant Error

Post by In2joy » Sat May 23, 2020 10:33 pm

There is a misguided idea out there that God has two Covenants, one being the Law and the other being the imaginary Covenant of Grace found nowhere in scripture.

I have a problem with this. Because this 2 covenant theory implies that God saved people by works in one part of the history of mankind and now God saves people by grace.

God has only saved anyone who has ever been saved by grace alone.

If this is not how the 2 covenant theory is supposed to be soteriologically understood then tell me what is meant by a covenant of law and a covenant of grace (that is found nowhere in scripture).

The bible doesn't need to spell out a covenant of grace because grace has always been the method of salvation.


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Re: Covenant Error

Post by Homer » Sun May 24, 2020 8:04 pm

Hi In2joy,

You wrote:
tell me what is meant by a covenant of law and a covenant of grace (that is found nowhere in scripture).
Seems to me that the scriptures clearly establish that there have been two covenants:

Hebrews 8:7
7. For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second
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And it seems to me that "the letter" in the following refers to "the law" (note: Paul has already informed us earlier in this letter that "the law kills":

2 Corinthians 3:6 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
6. who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life


Paul clearly has in mind here the Law of Moses, for he goes on to say:

7. But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8. how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?

And here we see covenant making language in reference to the New Covenant:

1 Peter 3:21 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,


The Greek word eperotema, translated "appeal", was an old Greek word used of making a contract.

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Re: Covenant Error

Post by In2joy » Sun May 24, 2020 8:46 pm

And what defines a biblical covenant?


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Re: Covenant Error

Post by Homer » Mon May 25, 2020 11:25 am

Are you looking for the definition according to a Greek lexicon or a place in scripture that says "this is what a covenant is"?

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